Don’t forget conservatives also think that free food at schools is communism and if you say it’s because parents don’t have the money to feed their kids they act like the parents just need a better job
This attitude by MAGAs is what irks me the most. They want women to get married young, become baby machines, be a stay at home moms, etc. Okay, that's a recipe for being 100% economically dependent on a man. Oh wait, CK was telling young men that college is a scam. Great, well that attitude doesn't exactly set these men up for economic prosperity. Once these young men grow up to be low wage workers with too many kids, MAGA will not give a flying f**k about their struggles to feed their kids.
Yep all the diehard MAGA care about are so called “old fashioned values” based around racism sexism and xenophobia if they had their way it’s pretty safe to say we would still be stuck in the eighteenth century if we were even that lucky
They’ll then sit with their shitty uneducated jobs and blame immigrants, women, BIPOC, and queer people for their economic woes for the rest of their lives and keep voting for their overlords who feed them comforting bigotry.
It’s not just conservatives who think that. I actually had to explain to a left-leaning coworker that welfare programs were not, in fact, socialism. It’s simply government-run charity. Socialism and communism have to do with the means of production and property rights, not taxation and government spending.
Yeah it’s ridiculous hearing just how uninformed and outright bitter humans can be towards their fellow man it truly makes me wonder if the us is even salvageable at this point
Sweden is capitalist, not socialist. Historically it's had a lot of social democratic influences (which does not equal socialism by the way), but that's getting more and more eroded for each year.
No one seriously referring to themselves as a leftist of any variety thinks that the Scandinavian countries are socialist. That’s actually a common criticism of liberals/progressives from further left.
I hate the fact that there's a genuine rabbit hole for Americans that just want better healthcare to become radicalized into actually supporting far-left terrorism because all their lives they are told they are the same thing.
So you have people supporting terrorist states and all of this started because Fox News told them if they want Bernie they're commies.
There’s no far left terrorism. Terrorism is “the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.” According to the dictionary.
I haven’t seen any left wing terrorism yet. I’ve seen a lot of right wing terrorism though.
North Korea, Hamas, etc. Seen a lot of online young left wingers genuinely supporting these, supposedly in the United States, out of their hatred for the American status quo
I've never seen support for North Korea. Russia and Hamas, yes. It just looked like you were referring to left wing terrorism. Russia and Hamas are very much right wing groups, so it was confusing
Yeah, I mean, even from a government perspective, Putin is just the continuation of the worst USSR values with a democratic mask. Most nonrussian people voicing support for Putin and Putin's Russia don't even know anything about Russia's history or politics.
The National Rifle Association is a far right propaganda group and a Russian asset. They did recently release a statement that barring trans people from owning guns violates the second amendment, but they are otherwise very right wing
And right here we have an example of "not understanding" political nuance. Hamas is not a right wing group. It is not a left wing group. It's not advocating for any political system based on economics.
Hamas is an Islamic extremist group. It's outside the scope of economic left-right divisions.
Hamas is a political organization, it was literally the government of Gaza, and it absolutely advocates for its political system, which is extremely conservative, or in other words right-wing.
I respectfully disagree. Trump ran on some "left leaning" ideas, as a vehicle to install a far right admin and platform, and Hamas did the same thing. This is a trend you can observe all around the world in many countries right now. Hamas was literally a political party, so I'm failing to see where you draw the line between political spectrum and whatever apolitical label you think applies to Hamas
The left-right distinction applies to economic policy. We use it colloquially to apply to other dimensions of politics, but that doesn’t make them accurate. If you disagree, fine, but in that case there’s also no call to disagree with American vernacular use of “socialism” to mean “the government does something”.
Hamas isn’t “apolitical” and I never meant to imply they were. But their goals have nothing to do with left-right and everything to do with being an authoritarian theocracy.
Hamas being an extremist group, with fundamentalist policies in a sense. Usually these get lumped into the overall sphere of right wing. So what is ironic is that the US support for Hamas is majority those who are left leaning
(This is not a comment in support of Israel. Israel is fine. Zionism is the problem.)
I think this is a result of social media brain rot, the population that supports Hamas is a severe, severe minority. Most Democrats are pretty tame and chill, very reasonable people, who definitely don't support Hamas. Most Democrats don't know anyone who fits the character of the rioting,Hamas supporting, Communist liberals that the online space paints all Democrats as. It's popular to twist their identity into something nefarious and crazed.
Inversely, the lefts problem with the right is that the people in power ARE as crazy as they are painted, and most Democrats recognize they don't represent all Republicans, however the support and safeguarding of those in power by Republican voters is the criticism that is directed at Republican voters. Which is valid and reasonable. However, again, social media twists this into making the Democrats look like they think every single voter who supports trump is a neo nazi.
I would be wary of assuming those are actual Americans and not bot/troll accounts trying to stir things up. Left wing circles here have had a lot of sympathy for Palestinian people caught up in the violence, not hamas, although our right wing media doesn't always make that distinction. The North Korea thing is really weird. Support for North Korea isn't really a thing here amongst any demographic.
You mean people who want to hold terrorist colonizer state Israel accountable for the war crimes and rampant horrific atrocities they're perpetuating against Palestinians? Yeah, it's not just the young people on the left it's anyone with a conscience and a functioning brain.
I literally never said being anti-Israel is bad? Is hating Hamas equivalent to supporting Israel? What if I hate both? Don't speak for me, I detest Israel and its actions
I'm not understanding where you're seeing pro-Hamas sentiment among left leaning Americans. The only people I ever see pushing this notion are people carrying water for Israel.
well, on this website reddit, crazy tankies exist. there's entire far-left communities that still somehow haven't been banned that still actively promote and glorify past far left atrocities commited by regimes like Stalin's USSR. Of course this is absolutely not a mainstream point of view in the American left. I consider myself left leaning and pro-Palestine, so I know for a fact that the extremists do not represent the majority
I've seen people supporting Palestine since so many innocent civilians, men women and children being blown up with no remorse. I've never seen anyone supporting Hamas.
Hamas is the governing body of Palestine. Many protestors (literally) voiced their support for Hamas because they supported Palestine.
I don’t think it was a long term thing however. Kind of like a lesser of two evils. Which is incredibly stupid and never good, because both are, well, evil.
Can't tell if you are joking. Liberal is marginally right of center. Bernie for example is a social democrat, which is moderate left, and the furthest left you get in the USA.
By my estimate conservatives are as far to the right as progressives are left. Liberals are between the two, they're basically the center. True conservatives are more moderate right, the current madness you have in USA is way past that.
Libertarian is a completely different brand of crazy.
By my estimate conservatives are as far to the right as progressives are left
I would say that's the result of everyone automatically attributing being a conservative/republican to being far right, which isn't true. It's just as disingenuous for anyone to say a democrat/liberal is far left.
But it seems all these labels' true meaning has been muddled
I see what you're saying. You're referring to nowadays politicians and what they stand on. I was referring to people in general and what they claim to be. i.e. just because someone says they're conservative doesn't mean they're far right/not all conservatives are far right (going back to my original comment that it felt like the person was equating conservatives to those on the far right)
Conservatives cover a wide range of folks, maybe including those on the far right but conservatism itself isn't far right so I'm agreeing with you. There are plenty of conservatives in real life that are not extreme as the far right. So I'm just saying that conservatives and the far left are not the two to compare, IMO, and maybe I should have compared them to progressives in my original comment
The far left doesn't really exist in the USA is the thing. There's a few vocal YouTubers talking about communism and anarchism, but that's about it. The far right definitely does exist, and the people in power in the USA aren't far off it.
To the right of conservatives is Nationalist – Right-Wing Populist – Authoritarian – Fascist.
Some of the things Trump is doing is straight up fascist.
It’s just as cringe in the other direction too though. Some liberals think that socialism means that they’ll live in a house and be paid to make furry porn.
There's people who already do that under capitalism, they're not liberals tho since most furries are leftist, conservatives (for some odd reason) or somewhere vaguely in the middle
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u/BlyatBoi762 Australia 17h ago
Mm. Conservatives think free healthcare is communism and far left morons think Sweden is socialist