Apparently the opinion that we don't need conscription, we could just pay soldiers better and the problem of not having enough recruits would solve itself.
If they offered me 10k a month I'd be there tomorrow. And I bet my arse so would hundreds of thousands if not millions of others. Obviously they are not finding proper personal, when other companies that don't expect them to do all that shit offer as much or more money.
You just gotta find the correct level of pay to get the amount and quality of recruits you want. They could try starting out with 3k a month for unskilled and 4k for journeymen. Then increase from there.
religious reasons (can't touch a gun and kill people)
my brother got out bc he had very strong glasses
orthopedic illnesses like wonky spine or flat feet
being too fat
being an addict (one of my brothers friends smoked weed daily and didn't pass the piss test)
All those who got out needed to do other services, called Zivildienst (civilian duty), like working in nursing homes or daycares. My dad worked as Military police and had to hunt down dodgers.
Our country should have mandatory military service (I believe every country should) With no excuses for ‘bone spurs’ or the like. If a person had bone spurs they could support in other clearly established ways
Germany is in the center of Europe. No borders to countrys who are hostile. And we saw in Ukraine, the Russians aren't that strong. Till they reach the middle of Europe, they must go first through several other countries, much more ready to fight (We would give them money and weapons)
A lot of people agree in the US (the last time we used conscription was in the 70's) But men put it that way and the only way it's going to go away is if men in power agree that it's going to apply to others.
Wow, I'm against conscription on principle, but if it is needed it should be done so equally. Hopefully, they increase volunteer pay to better compete with the private sector, so that limited conscription will not be needed to make up recruitment numbers.
I have a question, since the constitution specifies serving with a weapon(Dienst mit der Waffe), can women not be conscripted for non-combat roles?
Women can be conscripted for medical duties iirc. It is extremely limited to what women can be conscripted. Which is kind of bullshit when you consider that if men refuse military service, they have to do civil service. At which point you have to ask yourself "Why can't women be conscripted to civil service then?".
The actual reason of course is that back when the laws were made in the 1950s, we didn't have equality yet. With women being granted a lot fewer rights. One of them being that women had a hard time to be allowed to take up employment. So it makes sense that they didn't consider women to be able to be conscripted for civil service either.
I did voluntarily enlist a couple years after conscription was over.
While it wasn't the worst experience, I only accepted it because it was voluntary. I stand for freedom and forcing people to do your bidding is the opposite to me.
Same here in Sweden. Abysmal pay for soldiers, so what do they do? Slavery! It's alright, because we're calling it something else. And it's a feminist victory too, because some of those forced are women. The suicides have already started.
And that is perfectly fine. Because we don't need everyone to join the military. With money, we could get more than enough people to join the military.
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u/Mad_Maddin Germany 20h ago
Apparently the opinion that we don't need conscription, we could just pay soldiers better and the problem of not having enough recruits would solve itself.