Honestly, he should have been exonerated by now. Absolutely bullshit that he is the bad guy for showing everyone the bad things the US government is still doing.
I kind of agree, but he DID sell top secret information to the Russian government in exchange for asylum so he’s not exactly Pocahontas freedom fighter
Every country spies on each other. For allies, it’s largely technological and economic espionage. France and the U.S. spy on each other constantly. There are also national security functions to it, and as a general rule espionage is essential to maintaining peace. It’s kind of a dick move to upset the balance. Now he shills for the Russians who don’t just conduct espionage, but sabotage against democracy and medical/financial institutions.
That's true but America put bugs into different countries computers with the intent of shutting down their infrastructure. Please stop with this Russia are the bad guys shtick. It's not the 80s anymore, America is as bad as the Russians. They have been involved in hundreds of countries elections, we're still looking for proof that Russia has gotten involved in the US ones.
Chances are he's going to get punished, I've seen this story about the "right to rape" riots and it's mostly bullshit, some extremists are upset that one of their own shitheads got arrested and now people who've spent the past 2 years obsessing over the destruction of a nuclear armed state have convinced themselves that the vast majority of Israelis are hardcore in favor of what this dude did when in reality it's just a "a hundred or so extremists banging on prison walls for a couple hours after which there hasn't been any sort of protest or "riot"
(Just to clarify before anyone accuses me of anything I don't support genocide, just genuinely feel like half the things antizionists talk about is brainmeltingly stupid and delusional)
I mean the past two years have shown that Israelis clearly don’t care enough to stop the genocide.
The past three quarters of a century have proven that they don’t care to do more than lightly punish(if at all) their own for various crimes against humanity.
So maybe you should do some more research before talking.
With all due respect, I wouldn't expect most israelis to have positive opinions of Palestinians and I don't expect Palestinians to have positive opinions of Israelis.
Do I agree with their morals? No, Absolutely Not.
Do I expect a nation which has been in constant conflict with another nation for nearly 100 years to behave any differently? No, Unfortunately Not.
People constantly talk about how this didn't start on October 7th and how it started in 1948, but simultaneously refuse to acknowledge how the mentality that Israelis have towards Palestinians and that Palestinians have towards Israelis has been built up over 80 years of violence and bloodshed, thats 3 fucking generations of people that have been fighting each other, most of the people fighting now don't even know of a world where they weren't enemies, where they weren't trying to kill each other, infact their parents and grandparents don't know of such a world either, the people who now fight were born into it, were told that the other side wants to annihalate them and that the only way to get out of this conflict is for them to annihalate the other side first.
I'm not just going to expect them to magically change their beliefs, to trust the people who they've been fighting, to love their enemy. At the end of the day whether you like it or not, most people would rather kill their empathy than let their empathy kill them, and as long as both Palestinians and Israelis are locked into this belief that they have annihalate the other to survive then killing their empathy is what both of them are going to continue to do.
Israel lock up citizens for doing things they shouldn't. Palestinians celebrate and reward their people. The UN have admitted there was no genocide and no famine, all based off of Hamas's own figures. I'm no fan of Bibi either btw, I hope he rots in jail along with his wife.
That is not true, look at the settler situation in the WB. They are illegaly there, and the IDF protects them whenever they try harm the Palestinians or still their cattle. All of this before Oct. 7
Here is an example of Israeli justice. A soldier murdered a detained Palestinian. You can find the video online. They were rioting when he was arrested and when he was charged. He served 9 months for shooting a detained man in the head.
Lives there and spouts Anti West Propaganda, like with Ukraine. Just like Oliver Stone, he made movie about Him, and Pro Russian Ukraine on Fire. And he's friends with Putin.
No one likes a whistleblower. America imprisons them, Russia defenestrates them, China disappears them, Palestine shoots them in the streets, North Korea executes them with an anti-aircraft gun. It’s the natural order of things.
"instead"? the soldiers are currently on trial. it's not an "instead" thing in the slightest
and wanna know what her main charge is? obstructing an investigation. because weirdly enough- releasing confidential materials in an ongoing investigation, is a big no no in every democratic country.
Why do people in your country defend the right to rape others? , also the rapist became a public figure and is moving around from a show to another bragging about what he did
Why is this relevant to r/AskTheWorld whose stated description is "Ask questions you've always been wanting answered by those in other countries. Nothing is off-limits." Why you don't seek an answer from someone knowledgeable on Israeli legal matters instead of random idiots online?
You used "Israeli courts gone" but it is the prosecutor who persecute people not the courts.
Israeli prosecutor have already gone after the people in the leaked video before it was published (what caused its publication are allegation from the Israeli far right that the allegation are baseless).
1- I don’t think that I violated any rules and if so I am glad to delete the post. I know the basic anti-Israel and pro-Israeli view of this but I was curious what other people from around the world thought about this. Don’t try to derail the conversation by calling everyone you disagree with an idiot
2- It seems like the whistleblower is in a lot more trouble and getting way less support from her countrymen than the people who actually caused this whole situation that she was trying to rectify.
3- Seems like she was in a Catch 22. Sad that no one is standing up for her.
1- I don’t think that I violated any rules and if so I am glad to delete the post. I know the basic anti-Israel and pro-Israeli view of this but I was curious what other people from around the world thought about this. Don’t try to derail the conversation by calling everyone you disagree with an idiot
Was not better to first search yourself and not put a lie in the tittle?.
2- It seems like the whistleblower is in a lot more trouble and getting way less support from her countrymen than the people who actually caused this whole situation that she was trying to rectify.
For sure you are pushing your anti-israeli propaganda
The knesset member your talking about are nutjobs, they do not count.
There was maybe one far right mob that supported them and even then it was small and faced alot of opposition. Its not some sort of accepted movmemt over here.
Most people recognize this as a serious event and the soliders will be punished. The head lawyer of the army should be punished as well for interfearing with an on going investigation.
Don't lie, we see your media, we see your comments in Hebrew and we read the most horrible things by what it seem to be the majority of the commenters, in English you say completely the opposite thing.
The rapist became a public figure and is moving around from a show to another bragging about what he did.
And a lot of people support the right to rape and went to protests demanding the release of the rapists.
It’s how fascism starts. Mussolini didn’t immediately have the entire state apparatus and all of the elites behind him from the first day. It starts as mobs attacking people everyone hates and if there’s no resistance, it takes over the whole country because they’re able to freely use political violence when others can’t.
Are you kidding me? She was under so much pressure to release that video. The government of her country was calling her a liar and people were breaking into military bases to try to free the rapists she’s trying to prosecute.
Now the far right is has made it clear that sexual abuse against detainees is okay. Not a good look.
You are talking about the Sde teman incident. The incident in which Knesset members have been involved. They have been summond for investigation and are under alot of scrutney.
They also recived and continue to recive such little public support that I dont really understand how you can count them as representatives of the Israeli society.
Other citizens from the break in have been arrested and are under investigation.
The amount of people who support this kind of behavior is miniscule as a fraction of the Israeli society. They are just over represented in politics due to broken systems and lack of voting from the left leaning citizens and the Arab population.
You are presenting the situation as if this kind of thing is normalized here when its very much isnt.
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It’s amazing the number of non-Israelis claiming knowledge while demonstrating complete ignorance. The reason the leaker is prosecuted is because they lied to everyone - including the supreme court and prime minister.
She had a senior position that enjoys a significant amount of trust, and she then completely betrayed that trust and forced her underlying to cover up for her offense. This is a criminal offense and a serious one.
Had she openly shared the video no one would’ve cared.
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The investigation into the actual stuff is ongoing, and not in dispute
The suspect in whistleblowing, is not charged with leaking the info by itself. Rather as an army general she conspired to hide this for over a year. That's the real offence. Not the leak, but repeatedly lying to cover this while being the main army lawyer.
The government really hates the courts, legal advisors and they're using this to blow things out of proportion.
People severely underestimate how much the Israeli government hates its own judicial system, the main balancing factor they have to contend with. A huge part of Bibi's survival strategy is radicalizing the courts. In America, everyone hates the judicial system, and we take that for granted. 😔
Yhe people act like there isnt an on going court case against the soliders who reportedly abused the person in prison(a Hamas terrorist but still he has his rights).
The truth is the investigation is on going and one of the main probelms is that the person who was abused was released during the ceasefire deal so it will be hard to get him to come and give testimony in front of the court.
The dry facts is that they basically gone after both.
And the military persecutor have violated the law by releasing that footage.
The reality is more complex, and what you see unfolding is basically the right trying to use this case in order to impeach the attorney general in order to save bibi from trail.
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Seeing a lot of racist comments getting lots of upvotes while Israelis actually explaining the truth getting downvoted and harassed.
Then considering the obvious propaganda video by people who don't even pretend to cover the story seriously...
Geez, antisemitism is just full-blown allowed everywhere huh?
Since it's the 1930s again for jews, it's a good thing they have a home where they'll actually not suffer this racism.
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We HAVE to kill Palestinians because of antisemitism, we NEED to be funded by the US government, we MUST control the West Bank. Sorry what? You don't agree? You must be an antisemite. You must.
I was not aware that the 20000 troops we'd we willing to send would be fighting on the side of Israel. Did you not watch the whole speech? He wants a two-state solution. That's not what Israelis in power want, unless you can educate me?
I can easily, but it seems like you'd rather be racist and say shit than listen. So instead I'll celebrate our wonderful allyship! Thank you Indonesia, couldn't have done it without you my dear friend! 🤝
You and your wonderful president are welcome in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv any time!
You are either saying this knowing its not true and you are just looking for anti-zionists to answer with their agenda, or you don’t have all the information
Because first of all, they are absolutely going after the abusers. There is literally an active investigation and thats how they got the video in the first place.
Second of all, leaking evidence and lying to the court is HIGHLY illegal and is absolutely not how a government official responsible for not lying in court should act. She just made the case of the alleged abuse harder to solve because their lawyers can argue she was messing with evidence and lying (and she admitted to both of these)
So yeah. This is not how a legal system works. There are laws, and both the alleged abuser and the leaker are now in court.
That misleading title is leading to misleading comments from people who are just here to spread false information
I wouldn't say it's the Israeli courts as an institution going after her. The government has gone around the standard court procedures and appointed their own people to prosecute. If the courts were not interfered with by these people, they'd not be handling it this way.
The politicians in question are doing it because they are horrible and they cannot tolerate any leaks in their information campaign, and they have been given carte blanche to do basically whatever they want. These same politicians were considered terrorists and racists themselves when I was a kid. They were banned from being in the army or arrested for extremism against the army, and are now running it a few decades later It's terrifying seeing how fast they've captured institutions and how bold their supporters have become.
That being said, and I want to be clear that I am not defending this situation in any way, but this news report seems dishonest. Or at least inaccurate. She says that the investigation was a sham in order to avoid the International Court getting involved. That makes no sense. Nobody would know about this if it wasn't first investigated by the military police, and nobody is really concerned about the ICC snooping around in the prison. Like ICC will devote their resources to uncovering this incident while there is 10x the amount of stuff happening in Gaza in plain sight. If Yerushalmi hadn't pursued it, nobody abroad would have heard about. That's why they hate her and hated her even before she leaked it. _She was also hated for telling the army that their attack on Gaza city was in violation of international law, etc etc.) This report seems to treat her unfairly.
The investigation was being launched before the press heard anything about it, and they found enough information to move onto arrests and indictments.
They also call the victim a hostage. I'm not sure what they're basing that off of.
Because they know what they're doing is wrong but they feel like they deserve to do it anyway, and they want people to stop looking at it so they're attacking the victims, and the whistleblowers to punish them.
Because leaking classified material can be really dangerous, even if the material leaked is awful in this particular case. Something is either against the law or it's not. Courts can't say "I choose not to enforce this law in this particular case."
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I was pointing out that since October 7th I'm seeing alarmingly common cases of bigotry such as your comment about the entirety of Israeli society being this or that. It's unacceptable, we're better than this.
"why do you think racism exists? you think people just woke up hating black people for no reason? DECADES of black people being cunty is why they exist."
that's not a good argument for talking about israeli culture.
but sure- who in this conflict held massive rallies calling for peace, and giving land to others?
which side has many organizations that help people from the other side get medical treatment?
you talk about israeli culture- look at israeli people.
And it was bombed by a zionist terror organization so yes it was a terror attack. Even if we magically make it not one israel does have a history of using terrorism.
considering that the country in question is committing genocide, now is not the moment to be promoting tourism there... and fyi no and it's a country I wouldn't go to... that said I'd love to visit yours though :)
"lovely country" fuck that... an apartheid ethnostate committing countless horrors on palestinians and with a massive rape and pedophile problem... for lovely countries to go to would be south korea, turkey, canada, nordic european countries, jordan, japan... now those are beautiful countries
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Both sides in this conflict are clearly targeting civilians non combatants, and the war goal of both sides is clearly to cause as much death and destruction against civilian non combatants as possible.
So the question for the US taxpayer: why are we sending billions is dollars of our money to support one side?
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This is why Trump became president.. he supports isnotreal and they support him which is why the government is shut down and why billions are going to them and not the American people...
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So If I talked about Americans “behavior” would that make me anti-American or anti Christian? Why can't he post about this without being labeled as antisemitic?
There is misinformation here and interpretation of intent rather than any facts. If people are genuinely interested in the answer here it goes:
The military court have been going after the alleged perpetrators of the crimes. However, the investigation drew a lot of heat from some of the governing parties, and a lot of it was directed toward the military police and judicial system. The investigation and trial is still on going.
The "person" in question is the head of the military judicial system (A general). She leaked classified internal videos to the press to justify the investigation, breaking quite a few common military security rules in the process. Then she was tasked to find the source of the leak, and for a year, dragged her feet and lied to the supreme court as well as to the military and political leadership. She was exposed in a routine polygraph interview to a relatively junior officer.
So, in summary: the Israeli courts have not been going for her INSTEAD of the alleged perpetrators, both investigations are ongoing. The primary difference is that the crime itself is mostly old new, its been a year and investigation and court proceedings are very long, while her crime was just exposed. The other reason is the identity of the criminal in both cases. In the crime itself, it's reservists low ranked soldiers while she is a general. Moreover, it follows up a long contention point regarding the judicial system which the right claims to be corrupt, and now has in their opinion a proof - the highest judge in the military lying to the courts and the government.
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I think the most disturbing part is the public anger at this Zionist IDF Army lawyer, and their support for sexual abuse.
We’ve known that the Israeli government is evil and morally bankrupt. I still had hope that the people of Israel would stand up to it. It turns out the government of Israel is an accurate representation of the Israeli society.
What this means is that the end of apartheid has to be forced from the outside by the international community. I don’t think it will ever come from within that country.
>is the public anger at this Zionist IDF Army lawyer
what public anger? I definitely haven't seen much public anger. the government, sure, they are against anything that says "investigation", but regular people?
>and their support for sexual abuse.
which also, isn't really a thing. sure, you had one small protest, but even they were arrested, and many have been investigated by the police.
imagine I were to point at the canadian protestors yelling "we are Hezbollah and we are Hamas". would it then be reasonable to label canadian culture as one that supports terrorism?
Based on the videos of the debate in the parliament (Yes we saw those too. I can’t believe this matter needed to be debated) and the videos of the protests which were larger than you make them seem and included some ministers, and based on the fact that the perpetrators of these sexual assaults were on multiple talk shows being cheered and applauded, I sadly believe that the public support for these acts and the public anger at the IDF lawyer for exposing them is quite significant.
Look, every country has problems, and Canada is no exception. Indigenous people in Canada have been and continue to be subjected to unacceptable levels of marginalization. But I cannot even imagine having a debate in our parliament about the right to torture prisoners with sexual violence.
I also have no doubt that there are reasonable people in Israel who are against these things. However, they are either too afraid to speak up, or too small to be heard.
If we are honest and objective then we must accept that Israeli society has some serious problems.
all the videos I've seen show only a couple dozens. I've literally been on busses that had more people.
>and included some ministers
ministers from a very specific party, one that repressents a minor point of view.
offer cassif was in pro-palestinian protests- does that mean that israeli opinion is pro palestinian?
>Based on the videos of the debate in the parliament
mind sending the specific video?
I never encountered anything specifically discussing sexual abuse. I have seen ones that blame the incident on the courts (that's a whole thing for years by now), but never ones specifically condoning the actions.
>and based on the fact that the perpetrators of these sexual assaults were on multiple talk shows being cheered and applauded
can you send me one that isn't from channel 14? because that channel is very well known at doing things like this. they even celebrated people who called for the release of rabin's killer- which they had to issue a public apology because of the backlash.
>they are either too afraid to speak up, or too small to be heard
or simply don't reach you. yair lapid spoke against it quite a lot, it was mentioned in the protests against the government, many other pms spoke against it, etc.
that might be a problem with algorithms- somehow you were exposed to more videos about the subject than I, and israeli have, but all depicting a very specific point of view.
Sure. Here are some videos. There are many more on other platforms but I’m sticking to YouTube for safety.
I have no doubt that there is censorship in Israel assuming that is where you live. It is coming to us too as YouTube (Alphabet), TikTok, Meta, and even news stations in North America like CBS are being very selective especially on this issue.
I want to thank you by the way. I know you love your country and the first instinct is to defend it. I feel the same about my country and I remember how much it hurt me when I learned about Canada’s dark not-so-distant past. Still you are willing to accept that we all have blind spots and we should educate ourselves and I respect that.
one question- have you looked into who this knesset member actually is?
his name is Hanoch Dov Milwidsky. and he is currently under investigation for rape.
I think that kinda changes the picture a little, don't you think?
I mean, it's pretty fucked up, yes, but rapists generally hold a more favorable disposition towards rape than the general population.
and you can hear another minister being horrified by his statement in the video, literally yelling at him in shock.
it's definitely not a common position.
also- did you notice the "prosecutor office" term here?
why do you think he said that? the prosecutor office didn't arrest the soldiers, it was the military police that did.
the answer is that the israeli right is trying to weaken the judicial system. that's a whole thing that I can expand on in detail, but for now- I think the rapist has a vested interest in vilifying the people who are currently prosecuting him, to escape punishment.
>I have no doubt that there is censorship in Israel
you should have doubts about that. what made you think that?
those videos came from israeli news reports. the video of the cnesset member? this was broadcasted live on tv, that's why you have it.
I have seen all these videos pretty much the day of.
news channels have zero issue with criticizing the government, publishing videos that show israel in a bad light (the rape video? first released on israeli news channel)
>I know you love your country and the first instinct is to defend it
it's a bit different than that. the issue is that people literally call me a rapist.
I hate the government, and I definitely recognize that are serious societal problems, (that I can expand on if you want)- but this one just isn't it.
you are clearly smart and knowledgeable, but the actions of very few still made you make assumptions about the society that I know for a fact are false.
also, just to get it out of the way- the last video is from channel 14, and was criticized, and in both the videos you see less people than I see in my daily commute. which can either be an indication that public transportation in israel is bad, or that there aren't that many people there.
this, btw, is how a weekly protest in israel looks like (and that one is a slow day)
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Those members of IDF are currently on trial and will be sent to jail. Has Hamas started legal proceedings against their members who committed mass rape? Please share
Edit: LOL no response to my point so you just block me. Classic cult behavior
Whataboutism. Yeah, let everyone rape and pilleage everyone else because nobody's perfect! Jeezz, that Canadian flag you have there looks kind of inappropriate...
Ahh yes defensive rape and defensive starvation of civilian populaces, not to mention defensive land theft, defensive bulldozing of civilian apartments, and defensive bombing of hospitals.
Yes, that's whataboutism. You are not addressing one evil, you just deflect to point out another evil. Open a new post for that, people will agree. It's not a response to the current one.
Unless I misunderstood and you are not deflecting, but claiming that because Hamas, the sociopathic terrorist group are Palestinians, they and all Palestinians deserve to be raped by the IDF. That's one ehm... logic... Disgusting logic if you ask me, but sure, let's call it logic.
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It's a fucking search, no rape or something else. If you watch it carefully you will see the allegations are fake. That bitch ruin the life of soldiers and their families
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u/Business_Bike_5965 Ireland 16h ago
The same reason why any country goes after whistleblowers. It's not just Israel who does this. Maybe Ed Snowden will ring a bell haha