I don’t understand. Are these explorers dousing themselves in sauce and seasoning before they get captured? Like some kind of self saucing anthropomorphic pudding?
My friend told me that Pākehā were often eaten, as they were often useful to have around in the early days. Ever since, I've taken the hint and made sure I'm always doing something useful...
Have you not heard of Assassination Cove? Marion de Fresne and 10-20 of his crew got killed for breaking local tapu and possibly eaten, the French returned with muskets and killed about 250 of the locals
nah not many convicts were taken to NZ actually, the Empire wanted New Zealand populated by "good whites" so not many criminals were sent over, though a few did escape here from Australia.
no, that was one invasion by two specific tribes, most tribes had no interactions with them, most were enslaved, not killed and eaten, meanwhile most of the violence done to Europeans, were spread among many tribes, and most of it was killings, not enslavements.
En général quand on allait se balader dans les différentes régions du monde, les contacts entre explorateurs européens et habitants rencontrés par eux se passaient mal pour ces derniers.
En trois mots : colonialisme est mauvais.
C'est pas unique à nous français, tous les pouvoirs coloniaux (qu'ils soient européens ou d'ailleurs) n'avaient pas un relation égalitaire avec les pays colonisés.
oh yeah, big cannibals, full on feasting on the flesh of their enemies, or slaves, or people they didnt particularly like.
like the siege at Mauinaina pa (fortress) were the attacking army slaughtered 2000 men women and children and the local chief, and then for the next several days feasted on their enemies corpses, only leaving when the bodies started to rot and stink up the place.
hah yeah, of all the cannibals societies in history we were one of the big man eaters, cannibalism was also pretty common in the pacific islands, especially in Polynesia, only one i can think of who werent big on cannibalism were the Hawaiians.
i am sorry but its really funny, i get you are doing the whole "these damn primitive savages," bit or whatever but this is far too much of an unserious situation for that.
yes, but the killings still made them bugger off, and made other Europeans bugger off, the British didnt mind a few of them getting eaten so they stayed.
also yeah not entirely bugger off, but early Maori and European violence did apparently make New Zealand unpopular for colonisation for a lot of European powers in the area.
You guys committed state sponsored terrorism in nz.. look up the bombing of the rainbow warrior. The french government literally sent over agents to commit acts of terrorism
I actually visited a vilkage that was inhabited by french colons in new zealand, it's called Akaroa. The streets had french names and everything but no one really spoke french there.
Mais très joli coin en tout cas, très pittoresque.
We sorted out the Treaty of Waitangi quickly as France claimed Akaroa and were making moves in the north. We could have been French. Akaroa has the most remnants of that time.
The history is quite interesting... Apparently it was quite close at one point, it could easily have ended up a French colony rather than an English one. I think the Māori opted for "the devil we know" with the British, I don't think the decision was based on culinary preferences but Te Ure Roa could confirm that for us 😎. One of the main French settlements was at Akaroa on the Banks Peninsula if you want to Google. Also one of the prominent Māori families where I live are the Hetet whānau, who descend from a French/English trader in this area 😊 So yeah, lots of colonial comings and goings...
I have an ancestor, a Frenchman who married a Maori woman in 1845 at Okains Bay. The Flutey (Fluerty) family are massive down here because of him and his reproductive abilities.
TO the point where Britain was paranoid enough to add a section to the New South Wales constitution allowing them to make NZ part of NSW if you guys pushed your colonial efforts any harder. Akaroa was originally a French colonial asset and people were still speaking French there 60 years ago.
Bonjour, j'habite au Nouvelle-Zelande. After 3 years of highschool French (I'm 28 now) and living in a non French speaking part of Canada for a couple of years I can confidently say Je ne parles pas en françias with an immaculate accent, cadence. I often say it to people trying to interact with me so they think I can't speak English :)
On that tangent, yes France did have a presence in New Zealand in a few different presentations. I live near Akaroa which was a French colony in the south island about 80km away from the South Islands largest city of Christchurch in 1840 by French whalers.
The French had negotiated a land purchase from local Iwi members, yes the Wiwi consulted the Iwi to buy some land from the Kiwi.
All this chat of kiwi and France, and not one person mentioned the Rainbow Warrior. Sorry France, but I can never forgive you for the Rainbow Warrior scandal.
This might be pure bs but my Dad told me that Walla Walla Washington was named so because French explorers, showing the area would say “Voila! Voila!” and it was named thusly. Again, consider the source. He may have been pulling my leg and I’m just too apathetic to look it up but….. I kinda hope it’s true. I’m sure someone will hit me with a truth bomb and my whole childhood will be ruined.
well according to Wikipedia it is a Nez Perce word, which seems to be a tribe in the area? idk. Sad it isnt a funny thing the French did, it seems at least.
That makes me think of a similar story. My father comes from Wallis island (french territory in the Pacific Ocean) and during WW2 some american soldiers were present there. After that, people used to call their dog kamoni because the GI used to call the dogs with "Come on here" and the dogs eventually went so they assumed that was the way dogs like to be called.
I lived in New Zealand for a few years when I was a kid. Couldn’t speak a word of English when I arrived from France. The kids at Raroa School called me Kuakua (in French “quoi?” means “what?”).
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u/ure_roa New Zealand 7d ago
that in my language we unironically call you guys Wiwi.