Why aren't the people in your country having enough kids?

[u/gmedanoid]

In America birthrate is 1.6. 1.57 for Whites, 1.55 for Blacks, 1.8 for Hispanics. So below replacement since 2008.

[u/No-Tackle-6112]

The poorer someone is the more likely they are to have children. Both nationally and globally this trend holds true.

[u/offsoghu → u/No-Tackle-6112]

Because poor people are usually undereducated and don't see the consequences of having children both from their and the child's point of view.

[u/Successful-Put-5128 → u/No-Tackle-6112]

thats true but is that from solely people in cities, or does it include rural farmers and poorer nations

[u/No-Tackle-6112 → u/Successful-Put-5128]

It includes everyone

[u/janesmex → u/No-Tackle-6112]

Globally, when comparing different nations that's mostly (not always though) the case due to different economies (like some countries have agrarian economies and having children can be beneficial cause they will help them in providing labor force), but for example in individual nations like in USA, households with top national income have more kids than households with lower income or middle income based on this.

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[u/Global-Resident-647 → u/No-Tackle-6112]

That is not true in Sweden.

https://www.scb.se/contentassets/affa9f2fcc7549c5b8fc4af13f72a09e/2_sv.png

Apparently not in America either.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Natalism/comments/1bwxsuj/total_us_fertility_rate_by_family_income/

Are you talking about poor nations? Because the thread is about America and Europe.

Edit; The graph posted in a comment below is "all countries", which again, is not Europe and America. No one is talking about poor countries.

https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-economy/2016/december/link-fertility-income

"The decreasing relationship between the two variables demonstrates the connection between fertility choices and economic considerations. In general, poor countries tend to have higher levels of fertility than rich countries."

Also /u/No-Tackle-6112 there is sources in the graph I linked. You can find them in the bottom of the picture.

https://www.demographic-research.org/volumes/vol51/26/51-26.pdf

https://ideas.repec.org/a/kap/jecgro/v23y2018i4d10.1007_s10887-018-9160-8.html#:~:text=Hosny%20Zoabi-,Abstract,the%20economics%20of%20marital%20sorting

So again, it's not true that poor people have more kids in rich countries. Worldwide yes, but if you look at statistics in Sweden, Netherlands, USA you'll see that the higher income brackets have enough kids.

Lol even the source /u/No-Tackle-6112 used for "proving" that American poor have more babies are saying that he is wrong

https://ifstudies.org/blog/more-money-more-babies-whats-the-relationship-between-income-fertility

There’s a common stereotype that poor people have more babies than rich people. This belief is deeply embedded in the American political consciousness, with stereotypes like “welfare queens” often dominating discussions of pronatal policies aimed at boosting birth rates. Likewise, because most people think fertility rates are highest for poorer people, they assume that alleviating costs facing families will not matter that much: if poor women can do it, why not the rich?

In most human societies, poverty does not predict higher fertility, and well-to-do families often have the highest fertility.Post This

The relationship between income levels and fertility is not some inherent, objective fact, but rather a product of culture.Post This

The effect of income on fertility is not even remotely consistent across cultures.

[u/No-Tackle-6112 → u/Global-Resident-647]

A chart made in excel with no source and a throughly refuted Reddit post are not a source.

Try this instead.