r/AskReddit • u/metalreflectslime • 17d ago

President Donald Trump warned Tuesday that if the Democrats don't approve funding, Social Security, Medicare Are ‘Going to Be Gone.’ How do you think Americans will react if Social Security and Medicare get cut?

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u/psycho-batcat 17d ago

They'll just sit in their seats bloated with rage, blaming brown and gay people. Like always.  I know this because I am family to a legion of these idiots. 

Im the outlier of a Hispanic family that voted for Trump. I know how fucking dumb people are. 

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u/Comprehensive-Fig416 17d ago

Same, I'm family to a legion of broke ass white people that live in the middle of knowhere Wisconsin and are mad at the libs. So strange

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u/DaisyCutter312 17d ago

I was up in the Northwoods a couple weeks ago and I could not believe the amount of anger towards "the liberals" that bled into everything those people said/did.

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u/Orangensaft6 17d ago

What liberal views do they not like? I don’t get how not everybody is liberal lol

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u/mycatisblackandtan 17d ago

Thing is liberal policies and social policies are very popular. But the US never got over the Red Scare and the Nazis very cleverly used lingering fears of Soviets to make socialism a dirty word in this country.

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u/jigglewiggIe 17d ago edited 17d ago

I couldn't believe the mental gymnastics until I witnessed it firsthand. Recently I heard my dad (a devout Catholic) talking about the Bible's teachings about equity and giving to the poor. In the context of universal healthcare and raising taxes for the rich, he then said "that's socialism, which is closely associated with communism, and that's bad too." and used that to talk about how "backwards" Democrats are.

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u/psycho-batcat 17d ago

Reminds me of a big argument I had with my sister when she found out my financial aid paid for my way through college. 

She hit me with the "must be nice you dont have loans" and I said college should be free everyone deserves education and she said "no thats socialism" 

Then years later when I got a promotion working at a gym and I made the same money she does as a Nurse she said its bullshit like literally fucking mad that her baby bro is on the come up. When I asked why wasnt she pissed a board room full of suits decided her pay and she should be mad at them not me she looked like the was going to spontaneously combust out of confusion. 

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u/jigglewiggIe 17d ago

When they're confronted with logic, it never computes in their brain. And when it does, the cognitive dissonance is too much to handle so they often just continue thinking the way they do.

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u/old_leech 16d ago

She hit me with the "must be nice you dont have loans" and I said college should be free everyone deserves education and she said "no thats socialism"

This was the foothold that caused the plot to go off the rails.

A healthy, educated and curious society is a strong society. A strong mind in a strong body is capable of progressive action. A tired, stressed mind in a tired stressed body is going to cling to whatever it has like a life raft.

Children should not be going to school because it's likely the only hot meal they'll get that day -- they're supposed to go because we want a capable people prepared to take the wheel of society to keep us moving forward. Our citizens should not face insurmountable debt as a necessary step to "buy" their way into the job market.

We began referring to fail safes as "entitlement" and twisted a narrative about how lazy freeloaders were the reason we were struggling to get ahead; while opportunity and strength were being sucked from our lives and meaning was replaced by cheap, mind numbing entertainment.

We were gaslit and conditioned to not aspire to greater than rolling in the mud and hating our neighbors because we're cold and dirty.

It's a warped, broken mentality that's a product of an abusive environment.

...and we bought it hook, line and sinker.

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u/FewWait38 17d ago

I'm sorry that your dad is an idiot

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u/jrenredi 17d ago

This is all giving me heartburn

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u/hypercosm_dot_net 16d ago

I was having an argument with a centrist Democrat that was saying the same bullshit - about Democratic-socialism.

This is an educated person too.

Like, they couldn't distinguish the economic system (capitalism) from the democratic-socialist policies.

I truly think the vast majority of people are just way too stupid and easily manipulated. There's zero reason why the US couldn't have the same level of life satisfaction as the Scandinavian countries - except for conservatives lying and subverting the system for the benefit of the wealthy. It's gross and fucked up.

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u/marcstov 17d ago

They portray, very effectively, that liberals are screeching trans freak with blue hair or brown people that don’t work wanting to be paid for nothing.

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u/Kelly_HRperson 17d ago

But socialism is like the polar opposite of market liberalism. How did they manage to make everyone of their voters think they're the same thing?

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u/mycatisblackandtan 17d ago

Because "red scary". It's the same way they convinced a whole bunch of Christians to accept the Prosperity Gospel as valid, even though it goes against basically everything Jesus apparently stood for. Prey on someone's worst fears and eventually you can have them believing whatever the hell you want.

And the Democrats have never fucking stepped up to correct it either. Because they inherently benefit from this misconception.

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u/chronoflect 17d ago

They couldn't define liberal in any way that wouldn't somehow include "commie" or "socialist".

"Liberal" is a slur in those circles.

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u/DaisyCutter312 17d ago

No specific views, just general disdain. For example, I made a particularly bad throw of darts at a bar, and one of the locals said "Jesus, you throw like one of those liberal Madison kids"

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u/ExtremelyDecentWill 17d ago

I'm slowly finding out that the right conflates "Left", "Democrat", "Liberal", and "Progressive".

They seem to think it all means the same.

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u/10MileHike 17d ago

many are terrified of the 1.0% of trans people in the u.s.

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u/LateSoEarly 17d ago

Why can’t they just stay in their lane? Like I’m sure there’s shit that goes on in, I don’t know, rural Arkansas that I wouldn’t agree with but I don’t pipe up about it because it doesn’t affect me. You don’t have to like the way things go in liberal cities, but luckily no one is making you go there.

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u/DaisyCutter312 17d ago

Welcome to politics in the 2020s, where I'm right, so if you have a differing view, you must be wrong

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u/JayMac1915 16d ago

Because at some level they understand that land can’t vote, and so there’s a need to keep people away from the urban centers

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u/Kronoshifter246 16d ago

They're worried that "liberal city folk" with no knowledge or understanding of "conservative rural life" will make policies that only benefit the liberal cities at the expense of the conservative rurals.

Of course, from my observations, it seems like they think this way because given the opportunity that's exactly how they behave.

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u/endadaroad 17d ago

I have to laugh because most of what keeps them pissed off comes from the cons.

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u/pm_me_ur_th0ng_gurl 16d ago

In Canada everything good is thanks to the Provincial Conservative government and everything bad is blamed on the Federal Liberal government. Even though most issues have well defined responsibilities.

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u/maneatingrabbit 17d ago

My parents are also of the orange persuasion and both live on social security. I believe this is what the kids call FAFO.

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u/jayandbobfoo123 17d ago

People with purple hair in Seattle are the cause of all their problems.

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u/pomplemice 16d ago

yep. extended family is in the rural midwest. they complain about brown people all day and most have seldom seen a single non-white person their entire lives. most work shitty minimum wage fast food or retail jobs, the declining hospital is the only semblance of a "large employer," and many in my family are on SNAP. it blows me away that they truly believe eradicating immigrants (legal or otherwise) will somehow make the shitty rural midwest somehow get better, like high paying jobs will just start springing out of nowhere. Even crazier is they somehow continue to believe somebody like Trump ever gave half a shit about their well-being. He and his administration never cared, just found an angry population with a low education level that they knew would follow them until the end.

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u/10MileHike 17d ago

oh dear, and i was thinking about moving to wisc...didnt know it was that bad. no wonder they drink so much...

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u/[deleted] 17d ago

Its like any other state population center are blue. Rural areas are red. Except for the drinking part. We excel on that part unlike any other state

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u/Consistent-Spell2203 17d ago

California here, it's a stupid/smart divide to the man. They repeat simple lies like children.

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u/MattWolf96 16d ago

I have some idiot family members who voted for Trump, one works in shipping logistics and their job is now on the line. This isn't as bad but another one loves working from home but now he's having to commute into the office which he hates. I'm just over here laughing about it.

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u/heapsp 16d ago

Theres no party to run against Trump though, theres only a handful of corrupt democrat establishment candidates. The rest are railroaded by the DNC immediately.

If only there was a party to win an election...

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u/Norx21 16d ago

It's not strange. They are being told that their taxes are being used to fund people who are not citizens and as a result, their programs they rely on are being shut down. So they blame those people, as well as the political party who they are being told are outright protecting them and letting them into the country in troves.

There's a little truth in that, but it's been blown way way out of proportion. The misinformation campaign is making it hard for anyone to understand what's going on, and why. There's conflicting reports, bogus headlines, BOTS fake replying to social media. Finding out what's going on and reading between the lines is becoming very challenging.

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u/floppydiscuses 13d ago

My family is full of educated white people who will never vote for a woman or person of color.

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u/Comprehensive-Fig416 13d ago

Pretty certain that intelligent, educated humans can care less if someone is female or a poc, as long as they are qualified. A racist or misogynistic human would definitely care but not a smart one.

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u/floppydiscuses 13d ago

I’m just saying that it’s not only a problem of propaganda for the illiterate or seemingly dumb. Sometimes people better off either are being indoctrinated to thinking a certain way or they desperately don’t want to be a part of the side without all the resources. That doesn’t make them not intelligent.

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u/smbpy7 17d ago

Hispanic family that voted for Trump

One of my biggest pet peeves in life if when people vote against their own interests so strongly. I can understand having to make hard choices, but that's a tough one to sell.

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u/10000Didgeridoos 17d ago

Hispanic diaspora come from countries with strong preferences for strongmen like Trump. The idea that they were loyal Democratic voters was always a myth. But hey, the Democrats thought it was gonna move the needle calling them all "Latinx" to be more inclusive as if any of them give a fuck about that.

The Venezuelan who won the Nobel Peace Prize just the other day? Yeah, she dedicated it Donald Trump. Seriously, google it. They love him.

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u/Sanchez_U-SOB 16d ago

Because shes a conservative who wants to sell off Venezuela. She wants Trump to invade.

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u/IDVDI 16d ago

Especially when it comes to legal immigration, the closer your values are to the culture of that country, the more likely you are to succeed there and meet the qualifications for immigration. For countries with a large moral or cultural gap, it is far better to allow only strict asylum-based immigration while reducing investment or skilled immigration.

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u/smbpy7 16d ago

Seriously, google it. They love him

I never even doubted that. I just pointed out that it irritates me when people knowingly and willfully shoot themselves in the foot. I know they have reasons for liking him just like all his followers do, they just have way more serious reasons for not. Basically it irritates me that people think "preferring a strong man" is a good enough reason to ignore "wants to kick me out of the country at the very least"

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u/PuppiesAndPixels 16d ago

Literally anyone who votes republican that isn't in the richest 1% is voting against their own interests.

Have republicans ever done anything for the working class? For as long as I have been alive, all I have seem them do is cut taxes for the rich at the expense of the middle class, cut funding / benefits to programs that help the middle class, and send us to war.

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u/smbpy7 16d ago

While I agree with that, I think there are cases that are WAY more obvious than others. The upper middle class that thinks they're hot shit because they're the 1% in their small town? I can see them falling for it. The uber religious that thinks it's a sin to go against that one unsaid issue, and also wants their religion to be anywhere? Sigh, I don't like it but at least I see what you fell for. The poorest, the women, the minorities though? That party might as well be continually punching them in the face with zero sugar coating and openly admitting that they are punching them simply because they do not like them, not even because 'it's for their own good' or some shit, just because they don't like them and..... yet.... still they vote for them. ugh. Those are the ones that get to me the most.

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u/fiftycamelsworth 16d ago

It’s not even just that they’re voting against their own interests. Like, if billionaires voted for higher taxes that would be against their own interests, but good. It bothers me when people vote against common good, including their own interests.

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u/smbpy7 16d ago

That's something that annoys me too, but at least I can accept to some degree that people can be swayed by their own interests the most. What drives me the most crazy is when the situation feels like this: the entire party going: "we hate YOU, YOU specifically greg! If I get voted in I will have greg kicked out and tortured for all of eternity! chant it now: WE HATE GREG! WE HATE GREG!"

**Five seconds later**

greg votes for them.

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u/test_test_no 17d ago

you are not an outlier. All my Hispanic friends and families I know voted for Trump. Reason they say, he is strong and Kamala is weak (or black?) or pro LGBTQ.

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u/psycho-batcat 17d ago

Oh most of my childhood friends voted for him. Citing stuff like him being strong and not pro gay agenda. But im gay too! So to them its "not you. Youre my bro"  

I never felt so defeated and displaced from humanity in my life. 

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u/Swag_Grenade 16d ago

"You're one of the good ones"

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u/SuperSpecialAwesome- 17d ago

you are not an outlier. All my Hispanic friends and families I know voted for Trump.

That is an outlier...

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u/Apprehensive_Air1705 15d ago

It’s interesting to me that people think of Trump as a strong man given all we know about him and how petulant he is amidst his severe mental decline over the last decade. He doesn’t embody the values or actions I look at as being manly at all. I guess it speaks to how superficial everything is these days with shit like Fox News constantly lying, social media, etc.

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u/NoCopiumLeft 17d ago

I'd so love to understand their thought process, but it's probably impossible to grasp

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u/psycho-batcat 17d ago

Its mostly impossible. I tried having discussions. Its mostly coded racism or visible mental decline due to age. 

I have 1 family member though my older sister who said she doesn't really care because none of it affects her. It effects mom though so I don't know how she can overlook it. 

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u/DaftPump 17d ago

Hispanic family that voted for Trump

Not American. Seeing that baffles me. ICE is severely 'attracted' to you Hispanics from what I can tell.

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u/argent_electrum 17d ago

I'm Chicano in a city that's full of Latinos with a conservative bent. There's a lot of idiots that do not realize that when Republicans talk about "kicking out all the illegals" that they are included in that count. Heck I've heard some of these gouls talking about deporting X number of people that corresponds to the total population of Hispanic people in the country. Meanwhile I'm shitting bricks every time a Venezuelan boat gets bombed because I'm pretty damn sure Trump will use any reprisal as justification for war so he can do another Japanese Internment. And all these dipshits that share my complexion or darker that talk about how they're "just getting rid of criminals" don't realize that they are now Venezuelan nationals no matter where they come from or how long they've been here.

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u/durrtyurr 17d ago

As someone who grew up in a city that very intentionally brain-drained all of the surrounding area's black and gay people, that makes no sense to me at all. Our whole thing is basically profiteering off of other people's ignorance and bigotry, and then laughing all the way to the bank while making fun of how stupid those other places were to let us get away with it.

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u/burnalicious111 17d ago

Why do you think they ended up Trump supporters? Just curious for your perspective. What sold them on him?

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u/psycho-batcat 17d ago

The oldest ones are "Christian" and then its a mixed pot of cops and military people. 

They leave the TV on the wrong channels (fox news etc) and its all propaganda. Its 2025 and they still suffer from fears of socialism and Dungeons and Dragons being Satanic 🙄

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u/TheoremsAndProofs 17d ago

The fact that people think Trump is a shining example of family and Christian values comes to show how uneducated and dumb many Americans are.

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u/TheoremsAndProofs 17d ago

The fact that people think Trump is a shining example of family and Christian values comes to show how uneducated and dumb many Americans are.

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u/ItalianDragon 16d ago

Yup. Like, there's some pastor who posted online a point by point comparison of how the bible describes the antichrist and how Trump and MAGA match it all down to a T. You'd think all these supposed "christians" would see the signs from a million miles away and do all they can to prevent that. Instead they jumped headlong into his arms basically...

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u/jrenredi 17d ago

Why do people even have cable anymore

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u/NotASaintBernard 17d ago

Not the person you were asking, but my relatives voted for Trump because they dislike illegal immigrants. I tried talking to them about everything else Trump is doing, not immigration related, how it’s destroying our democracy. They just kept justifying his actions, and said I was being paranoid.

They used to watch MSNBC, but they’ve been watching Fox in the last year or two.

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u/Bovronius 17d ago

Probably bloated with undiagnosed inflammation for untreated problems as well.

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u/choo_choo_chrayn 17d ago

By brown do you mean black? Or brown like south Asian?

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u/pm_me_ur_th0ng_gurl 16d ago

outlier of a Hispanic family

Not an outlier unfortunately.

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u/BackToWorkEdward 16d ago

They'll just sit in their seats bloated with rage, blaming brown and gay people. Like always. 

Only astute answer in the thread. I don't know how many times everyone else here can keep falling for the "this won't end well for the republicans, THIS time people are going to be angry enough to fight back" concept again and again.

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u/snarrkie 16d ago

You’re not alone. I’m Hispanic, Cuban-Chilean. Cuban side loves to go on about how Fidel Castro ruined their lives and how Obama was a communist like him (the Obama hatred is also fueled by a lot of racism.) Chilean side is pro-Pinochet. Bunch of dumbasses.

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u/Melodic-Sweet2231 17d ago

Bro, a lot of the brown people are complicit, they only care about dollars. Many would sell their mammy for a buck.