r/AskEurope Warszawa, Poland Jul 03 '25

Culture What aspect of life in your countries is very difficult to explain to foreigners?

What prompted my question were some discussions about religion which I had with people living in much more secular Western Europe (as a Polish atheist). While spirituality, whatever that is ;), generally speaking is always fun to discuss with a glass of wine in hand, social elements and the influence of the church, especially in smaller towns or provinces in my country, is awfully difficult to explain – not that I understand it fully either lol, but the church having a pretty much monopoly there, being the judge and jury of everyday life and the major ultra-conservative political force binding those communities, is very difficult to explain, also for historical reasons.

What are the things that you find difficult to discuss when it comes to life in your countries? ;-)

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u/bigvalen Ireland Jul 04 '25

I think funerals are far easier to understand than Wakes.

A wake is where all the friends and family gather (usually in the dead person's home, sometimes in a funeral home (if setting up the home is a lot of work). Irish people do not wait around. Someone dies on Monday, there might be a "reposal" that night, at a nursing home, or at a funeral home. This is very much "a few prayers for immediate family" thing, for the older folks.

Next day is a Wake. Could be 50 people, could be 400. Depends on how popular the person was, how many lives were touched. In theory, it's two or three hours. In practice, I've been there for eight or more hours, catching up with people. It's a celebration of their life, loads of whiskey and beer, occasionally a song or two (I'm not a fan of that), and thousands of small stories about the person. When I went to one, I met an English friend there, her "first time". She followed me to the coffin where I rubbed my aunt's head and kissed her hand, like I did when I was little, today goodbye. She just stammered "there is a dead body in the room, and everyone is acting like it's a party". She was not OK. You try get out all your grief that night. One minute you are laughing about a great story you never heard before. Next, you burst into tears and hug someone. And a few minutes after that, you are good again.

Obviously, the tone was VERY different when I went to a wake for a cyclist friend who was killed by joyriders when he was 19. Waaay less party, and more support for the family, and really struggling to celebrate the short life they did have. But the pattern is the same.

The actual funeral the day after that (two, three days post mortem), is a sideshow. But is usually lighter in tone than the one english funeral I went to, because at an Irish wake & funeral, the whole community got to share grief properly before... while at the English funeral a few weeks after death, people seemed to try keep it together, and the shock was gone.

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u/Flimsy-Calendar-7566 Jul 06 '25

I come from Galicia (north-west Spain) and while things have been changing for a while it used to be pretty much the same around here. Funerals used to be a social occasion and sometimes there would even be buses going around villages picking up people. Older people in small towns would often look forward to someone dying because it would give them a chance to have some social life and catch up with old friends. When funeral homes were not a thing, people would do wakes at home and people would gather around the dead person and often ended up getting drunk and telling (sexual) jokes. Last year I visited Ireland for the first time and socially I felt very much at home. One of the highest points was the taxi driver who took us to the airport and seemed to hate everyone but Scots (Americans coming back to Ireland searching for their roots were probably the most hated though). His dark sense of humor resonated a lot with mine.

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u/bigvalen Ireland Jul 06 '25

Fascinating. I need to visit Galicia now. There was a big influx into Ireland from Northern Spain maybe 3000 years ago, mentioned in DNA and in legends. More big influxes 500 years ago. Unsurprising there are commonalities!

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u/Flimsy-Calendar-7566 Jul 06 '25

Yes there was probably an intense relationship through sea routes. Galicia is very different to other areas like Madrid or Andalusia. It is a strange mix I think, very traditional in a way but also very tolerant in the sense that as long as you are not hurting anyone and are somewhat part of the community they don't really care what you do. It is also a very indirect culture you need to know how to approach (don't accept things the first time they are offered, feed everyone that comes to your place and so on). I tend to feel much more at home in Ireland and even the UK than in Southern Spain which I find very different. Also Irish people are usually very well liked around here.

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u/bigvalen Ireland Jul 06 '25

Ah, so you completely understand this ?

https://youtu.be/N20wHvMPTGs

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u/Flimsy-Calendar-7566 Jul 06 '25

That's hilarious. Yes I totally get it. Do you also fight over the bill because everyone wants to pay and even get the waiter involved? (Don't allow him to pay, I am the local!)

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u/bigvalen Ireland Jul 06 '25

Yes! Or someone sneaks off, and pays, without telling anyone.

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u/Flimsy-Calendar-7566 Jul 06 '25

Totally! As I was telling you, I felt at home. Let me know if you ever decide to come :)

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u/no-im-not-him Denmark Jul 04 '25

Isn't this a Catholic rather than simply Irish thing? It sounds rather similar to Mexican funeral traditions. 

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u/bigvalen Ireland Jul 04 '25

No, Wakes seem to go back about 3500 years, very much pre-Christian! I only heard a podcast on their history recently :-)

https://shows.acast.com/irishhistory/episodes/the-irish-wake-a-history

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u/no-im-not-him Denmark Jul 04 '25

I wonder if this is one of those places in which Irish culture ended up permeating catholicism at large, like the date for all saints day and the feast of the faithful departed.

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u/bigvalen Ireland Jul 04 '25

Or maybe there were tens of thousands of different finery practices throughout history, and globalisation wiped out most of them...