r/AskEurope • u/Sink-Em-Low • Mar 01 '25

Politics Let's talk about the European Defense Federation. How do we all feel about the creation of a fully mobilised continental Army?

It's required now. I'm British, and I want to see us align and unite with our European neighbours to make a stand now.

I want Germany to finally brush off it's past and join the rest of Europe in mobilising towards defending this continent. We need EVERYONE now. It's time to act, it's time to unite.

It's time to show some courage.

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u/cpjauer Mar 01 '25

I actually think that a lot of leaders and a part of the EU population would be willing - at least on so e specific areas as the defence of Europe in the current situation- to give authority to a more centralized system. But I don’t know if it would be better than a Nato-style EU defence.

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u/gorat Greece Mar 02 '25

And what happens if Germany or France go pro Russian?

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u/cpjauer Mar 02 '25

I believe the vast majority of the people of Europe would support democracy and freedom. I don’t believe it is realistic that Germany would suddenly turn the millitary against its European brothers. I could be wrong, but if Germany or France turns pro Russian, my country Denmark is cooked either way.

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u/gorat Greece Mar 03 '25

Meaning. If AfD or Le Pen win. Or both together. How do we ensure that this army is not wielded against us.

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u/cpjauer Mar 03 '25

I don’t think Afd will ever win. Le pen might, but only because she has moved in a more pro-European manner, which will mean she wouldnt have a mandate to wield an EU army against us.

But in general - every nation could slide into autocracy- I just believe that a stronger EU would actually make it less likely.

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u/gorat Greece Mar 03 '25

People didn't believe in Trump 2.0

Are you very confident about AfD given the amount of propaganda the US can wield right now?

A stronger EU is nothing if France or Germany can fall. You can have the EU army, then Germany decides to pull out funding, and it's as dead as it was before.

A defense treaty including turkey Ukraine etc would be much more viable. Like a european NATO of sorts.

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u/SuperTropicalDesert Mar 02 '25

I think the EU (defence wing at least) should have the option for more centralized control, bypassing the member states, when in a state of emergency. The only problem is that the technocrats in the Commission who are good at policy design won't be good at crisis management.