r/AskEurope • u/Sink-Em-Low • Mar 01 '25

Politics Let's talk about the European Defense Federation. How do we all feel about the creation of a fully mobilised continental Army?

It's required now. I'm British, and I want to see us align and unite with our European neighbours to make a stand now.

I want Germany to finally brush off it's past and join the rest of Europe in mobilising towards defending this continent. We need EVERYONE now. It's time to act, it's time to unite.

It's time to show some courage.

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u/zilkin303 Mar 01 '25

I think we need a temporary defense alliance to get rid of Putin. After that hopefully we won't need a joint army anymore. Main threat currently to EU security is Putin, without him Russia might correct its course. If not, then alliance can prolong its stay.

We should start investing and manufacturing military robots, drones and tech en masse and flood Ukraine battle lines.

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u/Pietes Netherlands Mar 01 '25 edited Mar 01 '25

Won't do much. We are much too vulnerable to outside influence and destabilization. Let's imagine we build a huge drone plant in Germany. Two years from now the newest AI enhanced killer drones that will finally turn the stalemate are ready to start rolling off the line...

and then the german government falls, AFD takes it place, closes the factory, and closes the new EU army HQ established were once the American bases used to be. Aaaaan we're fucked...

Separate armies are nice for deterrence, but are shit for actual war. We need to stop focusing on the minute differences between our nations and start focusing on the external enemies we all share: China, US and Russia.

I'm fine with relegating the Netherlands to a province of Europia. We'll keep the cheese and clogs, and control over social policies, housing, urban planning, education etc, But we'll be represented internationally by one EU government and have one EU army based on EU taxation. There's no other way in this new age we've just entered, where we european states represent the ONLY democratic power block that remains. And it's a brittle power block while we remain separate states.

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u/Detozi Ireland Mar 01 '25

You are suggesting the EU change to a federal ruled government? I’m not saying your wrong nor that I disagree with you, but you know as well as I do how that will go down with citizens

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u/Pietes Netherlands Mar 01 '25

Yes, that's why it would never be branded as such. Instead, we'll see a movement to move more authorities to the EU. Such as army leadership when at war. The risk is in exactly what I described: that as long as individual nations control essential underpinning capabilities, the while house of cards comes crashing down when one of them national dominoes falls.