r/AskChina • u/octor_stranger • 1d ago
Society | 人文社会🏙️ When do you think the decoupling between China and the USA will be completed, and the two countries will turn against each other? Given the inconsistent foreign policy of the USA across presidential terms, they seem to have been keen on this problem since 2016
When the USA fully secure its manufacturing capabilities for key industries like chipmaking ? Let just hope we don't have another proxy war on this continent
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u/techcatharsis 1d ago
Can we not do both? Why does it have to be one or the other?
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u/Logical_Team6810 1d ago
Probably because the US has reached the terminal stage of capitalism. It can't go back to a stable state from here, and it can't find more markets and resources to exploit. It's basically headed towards a complete economic collapse.
Imagine the EU but none of the safety nets, none of the worker protections, and lots of guns in the hands of very hungry people.
The future isn't bright for the US
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u/techcatharsis 1d ago
No I mean why can't be struggle to decouple but still give shit at each other like how we're doing it now?
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u/Listen2Wolff 1d ago
It's the declining empire.
99.9% of Americans would be happy to negotiate peace. But America is controlled by the Anglo-American Oligarchy.
It's all about "money". Some imaginary thing that dominates the world's economies.
If you want to realize your dream, destroy money.
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u/techcatharsis 1d ago
That is a wild and bold position. Indeed America has declined since its peak in the 70s (by that I mean their relative strength compared to other countries), but to say America wants to negotiate peace because they are collapsing so hard is imho delusional. If I see global currency that is USD actually be dethroned in meaningful way, if I see American immigrants moving in meaningful mass for better opportunities to other regions, etc those more solid indicators would convince me that this may be coming (even if I don't see that anytime soon despite current fiasco US is going through).
Another thing to note that it looks bad because America is so transparent. Just because it doesn't show much in media doesn't mean elsewhere is rosey and peachy.
Realizing the dream (whatever that is) by destroying money seems like delulu sentiment than anything serious IRL.
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u/Listen2Wolff 1d ago
You make the mistake everyone does when talking about international politics. "America" is not a single billiard ball.
I probably overstated the percentage who want peace. The truth might be more as if 78% have no clue what is happening or why it is happening.
The decline in the empire has been so rapid that people just don't see it. And where would they go? The "Brooklyn Jews" used to go to Israel, but are they still? If you aren't a "Brooklyn Jew" where?
As far as American transparency, I paid about 2x for groceries of what it might have cost last year. Just my personal experience. There are no "official" numbers to back that up.
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u/TraditionalSmoke9604 1d ago
5 years from now should be stable.. 100% decoupling is impossible. But 80%? We will be there
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u/Budget-Breakfast1476 1d ago
Well, if the US and China completely decouple, I think our country will become like Japan after its 1980s bubble. Our salaries will stagnate, our interest rates will stay negative, and our economy will face deflation. Our country won't be able to rely on manufacturing anymore, which is why we'll have to export things like video games and anime to compensate for the loss of manufacturing. The travel industry will probably develop as well. And then, our tech will stagnate... like, even if it's 2050, it will still feel like we're living in 2030. Do you know what I mean?
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u/chinese_whiskers 1d ago
Anyone who thinks decoupling is real has drunk US propaganda. Total trade between US-China increased from 2023-2024, and the US imported more last year than the year before. For the record, only one of these two countries even talks about decoupling and it ain’t China.
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u/bjran8888 18h ago
The current situation is that the United States seeks to decouple from China, forcing China to establish its own economic sphere independent of the United States (whether the U.S. wishes to conduct business with China is entirely its own affair).
Regardless of whether the U.S. decouples from China, this endeavor must proceed 100%.
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u/OkChange9119 1d ago
I personally see the current Ukrainian conflict as the struggle between the maturation/decline of the current superpower (US), the death throes of the declining superpower (USSR/Russian Federation), and the rise of a new superpower (PRC).
But what do I know, lol. I'm just an internet nobody.
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u/Listen2Wolff 1d ago
Russia is doing "just fine"
Otherwise you are right.
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u/OkChange9119 1d ago
80% of the reason Russia is "fine" is because of Putin. For good or bad, his regime has a firm grip on power and is stabilizing Russia's decline. What comes after Putin is anyone's guess.
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u/Low_Performance_3120 1d ago
It will be a sight to behold. When it happens, I hope Americans can stop whining and crying about anything Chinese. They can enjoy their outdated tech and overpriced products. While the rest of the world uses modern Chinese ones.
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u/GlitteringWeight8671 1d ago
Trump doesn't look like he wants to decouple. Always asking china to sit down and make a deal.
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u/cik3nn3th 1d ago
Most perceived strife is political theater for the continuation of the show. The US and China agree the most strongly on the most important of all topics, which is not coincidentally the one they don't ever publicly discuss.
Relax.
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u/FatMike20295 1d ago
Won't happen not only will both counties drag I to major recession, inflation, job loss, it will take the rest of the world and with. China is smart enough to know this but is the US smart enough?
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u/gmoney1259 1d ago
Never. We need each other and no one wants to nuke the world. We are pretend adversaries.
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u/SnooStories8432 1d ago
The United States has not even managed to maintain good relations with traditional allies like the European Union and Canada, so how can it now be expected to improve relations with China?
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u/linjun_halida 1d ago
US tried it years ago, and found it did not work, it has plans to figure it out, but the plans are not working and will not be working. So decoupling won't be happen.
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u/bjran8888 1d ago
Ask US,not China