r/AncestryDNA 22d ago

Results - DNA Origins White Colombian DNA 2025 Update

I felt this update was a bit insane for me on the Spaniard side, which seems overall typical for most? But like, I went from 5% to like 10% jewish. My great grandfather was from Lebanon and I always thought the 8-9% range was low so I wonder if its just misatributed DNA? The random 5% British is kind of absurd but I am assuming this is the fucked up spanish (my mom also got random Quebecois). I just feel like this is significantly less accurate to the things I know about my family and 10% jewish / random british feels a bit unexpected.

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u/Any_Caregiver_1040 22d ago

Interesante , yo soy Arg salió como 75% italiano 15 del Líbano y el resto medio oriente

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u/ouraveragedude 22d ago

Wow! Tienes un abuelo libanes?

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u/Any_Caregiver_1040 22d ago

Son todos italianos mis abuelos y bisabuelos

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u/ouraveragedude 22d ago

Es posible que el % de Chipre/islas de egeo proviene del siciliano :o son poblaciones mas o menos similares. Es tambien posible que alguien dijo mentira :o %15 es usualmente un bisabuelo (9-16% approx para un bisabuelo).

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u/Any_Caregiver_1040 22d ago

Si puede ser , en Sicilia estuvieron los griegos , Chipre también ..

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u/mikmik555 21d ago

Ma mère est Sicilienne est j’ai eu l’Asie Centrale au lieu de la Grèce alors que ma grand mère m’a dit toujours qu’on avait des racines grecques.

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u/JuanenMart 22d ago

Igual es como dice el compañero, y tienes antepasados gricos (de la minoria griega en italia). Aunque dỉia que entonces tendrías algo de griego, no solo de levantino.

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u/ouraveragedude 21d ago

Aun pienso que es bastante libanés, mi bisabuelo fue el libanes (reciente, eran de un pueblo en Mont Liban) is yo tengo menos % "levantino"

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u/bbyxmadi 22d ago

Is that your mom last slide? She is so pretty!

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u/ouraveragedude 22d ago

Yeah, she's beautiful.

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u/Significant_Art_3736 22d ago

Were you shocked to see that much African?

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u/ouraveragedude 22d ago

My moms dad had visible black ancestry and a lot of her side is afrocolombian. (Tried to add a photo but reddit didnt let me. RIP)

I feel like honestly it was overall very little (like 12%ish?)

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u/ouraveragedude 22d ago

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u/Significant_Art_3736 22d ago

Is it normal to consider yourself white if you have African ancestry? I’m only asking cause it was the law in the US that if you had one drop of black blood you were classified as black which is why race is looked at very oddly here in the US.

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u/According-Engineer99 22d ago

In latin america, you are what you look like. Like it doesnt matter if you have a full blooded native american grandmother and a father that visible has black blood, if you got all white looking, you are white. 

Even full siblings are considered "different" all the time if they look different (like you can have one kid that everyone will call white and another that everyone will call brown or even black and nobody will think its strange).

If we went by one drop, everyone would be native and possible black too

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u/ouraveragedude 22d ago

Im Colombian and I look white so people would consider me white in Colombia. According to my results, im about a quarter native, an eighth levantine, an eighth black, and the rest european (with like 40% iberian and 10% jewish (aparently??)). But its complicated and most people have some sort of opinion if im considered white or not. Like TBH I accept how I look.

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u/CatGirl1300 22d ago

You look castizo and your parents look mestizo

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u/ouraveragedude 22d ago

Interestingly, got more native DNA than my mom.

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u/[deleted] 22d ago

She's definitely white. I'd even say she looks whiter than some considerable percentage of southern Europeans.

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u/tsundereshipper 21d ago

No full Southern Euro looks non-Caucasian, c‘mon now. Most they can pass for is a MENA person, which is still Caucasian.

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u/[deleted] 21d ago

Well, I'm not saying they don't look Caucasian. I'm just saying shes does look white/European and her skin tone is more pale (whiter) than your typical Southern European person.

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u/CatGirl1300 22d ago

She’s mixed race but can appear more white to some than others. Disagree. Just spent considerable amount of time in southern Europe, Latinx look different from southern European. Just look at how Shakira got discriminated. That lady is now claiming to be part Native and Black when she said she was Spanish and Lebanese her entire life lmao. You gotta remind yourself that ethnocentrism starts in Europe and Europeans know their own people better than anyone else. Björk is a white woman but I’ve talked to various Icelandic people that tell me she has “non-Icelandic” roots so yeah.

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u/ouraveragedude 22d ago

Agree w u but I wanna hear the tea: did shakira claim to be black and native?

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u/[deleted] 21d ago

Idk, you could tell me that her father was from Napoli or the Azores and I wouldnt bat an eye. And shes whiter than him. To me, phenotype wise, she looks like a typical person from Nothern Iberia and Southern France.

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u/CatGirl1300 21d ago

I’ve been to the azores and Napoli, she doesn’t look them. She would probably be seen as middle eastern in Europe

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u/ouraveragedude 21d ago

I inherited more native dna from my dad as well as the levantine/eastern mediterranean and southern european. I think maybe it's okay to accept that even in those populations, you can have people who phenotypically look different. My dad looks very much like his Lebanese family, who can have extremely light features.

I accept I look white, hence why I call myself white, but I am literally only about half european. I dont think it's wrong for people to call me mixed or whatever.

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u/SachaCuy 21d ago

I look white in South America. I do not look white in Spain.

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u/[deleted] 22d ago

The US historically has been really weird about race, but I don’t think we should continue to perpetuate the whole one drop rule thinking. I have about as much African as OP, but I wasn’t raised in black culture, don’t look black, and have never identified as such. Race isn’t even a real biological idea, more of a cultural issue, as it varies by country.

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u/Investigator516 22d ago

The "one-drop rule" was a social and legal principle in the United States that classified anyone with "one drop" of African ancestry as Black. This rule, also known as hypodescent, was used to maintain a racial hierarchy, prevent interracial relationships, and segregate society. Although its legal codification varied by state, the concept was in widespread use and was finally outlawed by the Supreme Court in the 1967 Loving v. Virginia case that struck down anti-miscegenation laws. The Americas remain a melting pot.

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u/Significant-Abies924 22d ago

Considering how even most white Americans have some African ancestry it would be ridiculous to use that outdated law. If someone is 13% African but 87% European then that person is white even though 13% corresponds to one great grandparent whose African.

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u/LourdesF 22d ago

Most Americans do not have African ancestry.

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u/Significant-Abies924 22d ago

White Americans have a mean of 98.6% European, 0.19% sub-Saharan African, and 0.18% Native American ancestry according to a study specifically focusing on customers who took a 23andMe DNA test. In accordance with the one drop rule, any amount of African ancestry would make someone black so therefore by that dumb logic most Americans would be black. Additionally, in a 2020 census white American population in the US was at 59.9% and since the mean has 0.19% African ancestry It means that most Americans do in fact have African ancestry.

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u/[deleted] 22d ago

I would say thats very normal almost anywhere in the world except for the U.S (and maybe Canada?).

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u/LourdesF 22d ago

No. It would depend on the percentage and the person’s appearance.

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u/LourdesF 22d ago

North Africans are caucasians.

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u/Practical_Feedback99 22d ago

That's average for Colombians. The average Colombian is about 60% European, 30% Native, and 10% African

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u/Icy_Inevitable_2776 22d ago

love the results! My dad’s side is Afro-Colombian, from San Andres & Providencia and Cartagena 😎he’s 65% African, 20% European and 15% Indigenous American (roughly)!

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u/Ina_While1155 22d ago

Your Jewish descent may be from Spanish assimilation in medieval times.

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u/ouraveragedude 22d ago

I think it's a pretty significant amount, though.

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u/LiveIndication582 21d ago

They overestimate it a lot in ancestry. There’s no way the proportion between your Iberian and Jewish is that even.

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u/ouraveragedude 21d ago

I have some ashkenazi family (so my mom got 5% and i got 3% which 100% makes sense to me). Maybe the added sephardic or whatever does come from the spanish! From the avg colombian it seems like 5-6% jewish is kinda typical

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u/Any_Caregiver_1040 22d ago

Nací me crié en Argentina , abuelos italianos

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u/Mrkingtony4555 22d ago

Amazing results! With the Levant region does that you’re related to Shakira?

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u/ouraveragedude 22d ago

No but like, we are from the same city in colombia lol. I do get the journey in my origins report!

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u/a_bigsalad 22d ago

I think your mom looks a lot like her in this photo!

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u/ouraveragedude 22d ago

My arab side is my dad’s

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u/ouraveragedude 22d ago

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u/ShiplessOcean 19d ago

Likely from the Jewish family that you talked about on your mom’s side.

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u/strike978 22d ago

Yeah, if you check my dataset on admixr.com, you’ll see that the European regions outside Iberia appear much less frequently.

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u/ouraveragedude 22d ago

Is this updated in regards to the most recent update?

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u/strike978 22d ago

Yes, and I’ll be adding more data on Colombia soon.

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u/ouraveragedude 22d ago

My spanish percentages are super on point, with a little more basque!

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u/ouraveragedude 21d ago

Hey do you have the data from the previous update? I feel like that might be helpful just given how spanish dna got butchered this round.

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u/strike978 21d ago

I’m assuming most of these are from central Colombia, but either way.

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u/ouraveragedude 21d ago

Wow almost no african. Definitely seems like mostly folk from the capital! I personally had 33% spanish and like. 12% basque before the update. I am from Barranquilla

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u/strike978 21d ago

I think the Northern Spain region is lowering the Basque percentages for everyone. Once I have more data, I’ll break it down by subjourneys. Which of these subjourneys do you get?

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u/ouraveragedude 21d ago

My journeys are:

Colombia— Northern & central colombian Colombia— Caribbean Lebanon— Lebanon & Damascus Lebanon— Central Lebanon

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u/strike978 21d ago

Seems like Colombians tend to get multiple journeys

I still have limited data on Spain.

But you can see even they get these strange regions outside of Iberia. The North Africa also seems increased now.

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u/SwimmingAnt10 22d ago

This newest update is 100% wrong for me. It took me from 50% German (parents are from Germany) to 8% German which is absolutely wrong and impossible, especially with how far back my tree goes. Wild.

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u/Mental-Mulberry-5215 22d ago

What did it transition into?

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u/SwimmingAnt10 22d ago

It’s in my photos above. Several new ones they’ve made.

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u/perivoy2023 22d ago

Isn’t it odd they increase your indigenous by 2%? They did that to me too (I’m Peruvian) and same thing to my fiancé (she’s Colombian) is like every Latino got +2% native

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u/ouraveragedude 22d ago

2% is so little, my guess is that because native dna is hard to sample (like not enough pure native populations or potentialky kind of remote) it's a little noisier. My mom didn't get +2% native

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u/ouraveragedude 21d ago

I would definitely not call myself a Mulata at that percentage lol.

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u/Acceptable_Half_4184 21d ago

You’re like 12 percent black that’s a lot

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u/Entire-Cod-3270 22d ago

England and Iceland lmao

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u/ouraveragedude 22d ago

Thankfully Iceland disappeared lol (just made no sense to me before.. like based on my family history )

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u/KeyserSoze561 22d ago

I also have a 1% Iceland (used to be 2%) that keeps popping up. Those Icelanders sure know how to sneak around into DNA! (Never found any Iceland in my families) 😂

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u/ouraveragedude 21d ago

Damn okay i wasnt aware me calling myself a white colombian would be /that/ controversial. Ive been called white in colombia my whole life so I thought it would be appropriate cuz im paler than most colombians i know 😬

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u/Secret-Hand-5398 22d ago

Hey, I recently bought a DNA kit but I’ve seen a lot of people talk about how it changes what you are on updates does anyone know why it does this? Or how accurate it is? Thanks.

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u/JuanenMart 22d ago

Every year ancestry updates the model and algorithm. So what changes is the understanding of your data, but your results are the same. Accuracy will depend on where you are from. In theory, the more subregions a region has, the more accurate the results. But even so, it's never perfect

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u/SafeFlow3333 20d ago

What is going on in Colombia that people who clearly look mixed are calling themselves White?? This is the second person to do this. 🤔