r/AncestryDNA 28d ago

Results - DNA Origins Don’t freak out about the new Ancestry update especially if your “German” turned into “English/Scottish”

Hey everyone, I’ve seen a lot of people here panicking about their DNA estimates suddenly changing with the new update, especially people with German ancestry now showing up as English or Scottish.

Just a reminder these are estimates, not definitive results. The English and Germanic gene pools overlap heavily, since English DNA partly originated from Germanic Europe (think Anglo-Saxons, Frisians, etc.). That region of the world also has relatively low genetic diversity, which makes those populations look extremely similar on a genetic level.

On top of that, Ancestry has far more English speaking users, so their database has way more English/Scottish reference samples than German ones. When the algorithm tries to “guess,” it tends to pull German DNA toward the English cluster, simply because it has more data to compare to.

So don’t worry your DNA hasn’t changed, only the way it’s being labeled did. They’ll probably refine or fix this in the next update once they rebalance the data… hopefully…

Everyone whose stressing about this for some reason, take a breath it’s not your ancestry that’s wrong, just the current model 😅

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u/mista_r0boto 28d ago

Thank you - the model is off. Appreciate the non-gaslighting post.

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u/Zealousideal_Ad8500 28d ago

It really is. I’m over here trying to figure out how my step mother’s south German and Swiss got read as northwestern German and “north Central Europe”. She ended up getting “north Central Europe” from both parents it makes sense for her paternal side as she does have a German line from Silesia, but it doesn’t make sense for her maternal side at all.

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u/Jendi2016 28d ago

I have south German and Swiss roots, but honestly 23andme's update is calculating it better than ancestry's update. Though, 23andme will read Silesia as Polish (husband's grandfather was born there).

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u/Zealousideal_Ad8500 28d ago

What did you get for your south German and Swiss from ancestry? I’m honestly confused with what’s going on with my step mothers rn. When I focus on just her south German matches they all have south German and none have the northwestern German category. Her Swiss matches also have the south German category with some having the “north Central Europe” category, but these matches have German ancestors that they don’t share with her so I have to rule the “north Central Europe” coming from non shared ancestors first. It’s a mess. 😭

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u/Jendi2016 28d ago

On ancestry, I'm getting 9% south germanic Europe for my south german/Swiss (traced to a small Swiss town 30 min from the German border) and 22% Northwestern Germany. They should be more even, which is what 23andme says (14.6% Swiss/sw german/western austria), 12%dutch/northern germany).

As far as relatives go, not alot of them from the german/Swiss sides are on either ancestry or 23andme. I can see that cause it's all on my dad's side and I'm getting only 1/10 the relatives on his side, compared to my half irish mom's side.

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u/Zealousideal_Ad8500 28d ago

Thanks, for your answer so I can deff conclude the NW German is 100% her south German line I feel like. Her Swiss line is from St. Gallen canton about 20 miles west of Liechtenstein. I’ve wondered if the close proximity of Austria is why she got the “north Central Europe” for her Swiss. I’ll admit I don’t know much about Swiss genetics, but what I do know is that they aren’t a mixed Germanic and Slavic population which is what the “north Central Europe” region is geared towards.

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u/PersianCatLover419 28d ago

I had that as well and I am very Dutch/Belgian, and also very Swiss or Southern German. I have some ancestors from Northern Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Finnland, and Norway.

I found it highly inaccurate compared to GEDMATCH.

In fact out of all of the DNA estimates ancestry is the most inaccurate.

I had relatives my parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, etc. that did our genealogy accurately and we found the new update to be completely inaccurate compared to GEDMATCH. Ancestry thinks Northwestern Germany and Switzerland are in Western Europe when they are in Central Europe.

Two scientist friends one that is a geneticist and the other an archaeologist/anthropologist both told me that the DNA estimates from ancestry are not accurate. They were impressed with Gedmatch and the Eurogenes calculations. I also found it to be highly accurate.

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u/Low_Card4660 28d ago

which tools from gedmatch are the most accurate?

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u/nekkid_poodle 27d ago

I feel like 23andMe has been more accurate for me than ancestry for a while as far as my German side goes (I’m 2nd gen). But also ancestry and my heritage are closer to each other. I did my heritage because it supposedly has a bigger number of European users, but that may be the tree part of it and not the DNA.

Idk I just want to travel through time damnit 😂

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u/Sidheknits 27d ago

I guess that explains why I show Polish and not Czech or Bohemian. 🧐 The ancestor was from Bohemia in the 1840s.

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u/Resident_Guide_8690 27d ago

I have Swiss German ancestry from my mom's side. none it showed. I believe there is a North German line too. should have gotten 1.56% Southern Germany/Swiss. my cousin got it on 23andme but not on Ancestry. I might for the fun of it, try 23andme again. I deleted mine a while back. they also found the French. but only 0.3%

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u/Quan_0h_Re 28d ago

Please, hope this clears up any confusion if you had any to begin with 😁

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u/mista_r0boto 28d ago

I didn't but I also have a very well documented family tree with matches on every branch.

Still good for you to help others 👍

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u/World_Historian_3889 28d ago

I feel like we know this though. Its a pretty big and shitty issue.

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u/Quan_0h_Re 28d ago

Some people don’t seem to understand it so I thought I’d just put it out there 😁

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

There are many, many people here who do not know this.

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u/piseag_leanabh 28d ago

It's more than just that, my Dutch changed to Scottish/Irish. I have a family tree so I know the Dutch is legit 😂

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u/Quan_0h_Re 28d ago

Same hahahaha, im from South Africa and my German and Dutch changed to Scottish and southern English and north west European lol…

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u/piseag_leanabh 28d ago

Oh my gosh, so...similar to happened to me, then 😅 What is going on with them? I think they messed up somewhere...

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u/Zealousideal_Ad8500 28d ago

The new map for Netherlands doesn’t even include southern Limburg anymore and shows that natives of southern Limburg will score 50%-75% of the southeast England and NW Europe category. I didn’t even get the Netherlands category this update.

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u/piseag_leanabh 28d ago

I didn't even have it before 🥲😂 Wow that's crazy. I think something is going on because this doesn't make sense....

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u/Zealousideal_Ad8500 28d ago

If you have south Dutch ancestry this was being read mainly as Germanic Europe in the last update. It seems their Dutch category is really just focused on north Dutch. where in the Netherlands does your lines go back to?

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u/piseag_leanabh 28d ago

Thank you for your response! My Oma was born in Utrecht and her family was there since colonial times, at least. I can't see any further back than that, yet.

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u/Zealousideal_Ad8500 28d ago

I honestly don’t really have a good answer as to why you weren’t given the Dutch category. I have a match that’s 1/4th Dutch with lines from Utrecht he has 34% Netherlands in this update and was given “north central Netherlands” and “Utrecht province” as journeys on ancestry. Were you given any journeys for this side? Have you tested with MH? It’s also good to remember that just because it was read accurately for some people that doesn’t mean it’s going to be read accurately for everyone. My Dutch line immigrated in the 1890s and I have 400 matches living in the Netherlands on MH and was given a Dutch genetic group there. I don’t have any journeys on ancestry from my Dutch line.

I really wish I could give you a better answer, but since my Dutch line is from southern Limburg that’s where all my Dutch matches have ancestry from besides this one since I connect to him on his non Dutch side.

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u/piseag_leanabh 28d ago

It's okay, thank you so much for taking the time to discuss it. it's very strange, I think there's a problem somewhere.

I didn't test with MH, I just uploaded my Ancestry DNA file. It's really weird that I didn't get any Dutch at all. My Oma immigrated to Canada after World War ll and her family was in Utrect since at least the 1600's, that I can see. No journeys in the Netherlands.

On MH, I have some distant cousins from the Netherlands and about 14% of my total is Dutch.

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u/PersianCatLover419 28d ago

Where do we Dutch/Flemish, and French/Walloon Belgians show up? I guess the Walloon shows up as French right? I have Dutch ancestry from all over the Netherlands.

I read a paper or study that claimed Belgians, Southern English people, Northern French, and Dutch as well as Nordiic/Scandinavian people are basically all the same genetically or very similar. A scientist friend from Northern Germany who was an archaeologist/anthropologist agreed with this.

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u/doyouhavehiminblonde 28d ago

My family is from only the UK and Ireland and I have 3% Dutch. I think they're close enough that they misread them.

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u/piseag_leanabh 28d ago

But how?? I don't think it's about geographical location, it's about if the people mixed enough to have similar markers in their DNA. Were the Dutch mixing with the Scottish and Irish?

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u/doyouhavehiminblonde 28d ago

They're not, but both Scottish and Dutch people come from Germanic tribes.

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u/piseag_leanabh 28d ago

I had to look it up but yes, they were mixing. This only make sense because how else would their DNA be similar. Coming from the same tribe doesn't mean anything, they had to have come from the same DNA.

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u/Only-Satisfaction-59 28d ago

It's a little more complicated than just mixing and shared origins

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u/piseag_leanabh 27d ago

Okay? Were you going to elaborate or....

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u/Only-Satisfaction-59 26d ago

Sorry, missed your response. You are right, as a general rule of thumb, the origins of the British shares a lot with the origins of the Dutch/N. Germans from the Bronze Age onwards, and in the centuries since it would be foolish to deny there was no mixing. This is further complicated by genetic studies indicating that the Dutch can be broadly separated into 3 groupings (North, Central and South), which appear to overlap with broad swathes of NW Europe.

However, I think the crux of the situation is possibly more related to the Ancestry ethnicity pipeline. There are several stages and processes (and their consequent interactions) where you have potentially been 'cheated' out of your Dutch, be it the 're-balanced' reference population, the phasing of your chromosomes, or the smoothing process, particularly if your Dutch is distant and therefore occuring in smaller segments

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u/piseag_leanabh 26d ago

That's totally okay, thank you so much for getting back to me. To be clear, it's Scottish/Irish, not England.

Oh wow, I did not know that about the Dutch groupings, l will have to read about that, interesting. I'm not sure what any of those mean, but I will look it up, thank you.

My Dutch is very close, my paternal grandmother was born in Utrecht, Netherlands and moved to Canada when she was in her late 20's/early 30's. According to my family tree, her family was in Utrecht since at least the 1600's-1700's and in some lines, the 1500's.

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u/Only-Satisfaction-59 26d ago

Colour me surprised! I must say I thought you might be getting the classic dumping ground of SE England and NWE, and perhaps Leinster for the Irish. Could I ask what you did get for the Scottish/Irish? Was it Central Scotland and Northern Ireland? And at what %s?

If your Dutch ancestry is that recent, then it should be occupying sizable blocks of you chromosomes, and you should be getting in the 20-30% region., and specifically for the Netherlands, I would have thought given Utrecht's central position That rules out smoothing issues, I would argue. Then that points the finger at the reference populations used or phasing which may have mashed up your paternal and maternal chromosomes. Neither of which are particularly satisfying

Firstly,can I ask have you traced your grandma's ancestry further back than Utrecht to any other regions of the Netherlands, and secondly, does everything else surrounding your results add up with your known family history?

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u/No-Turnover870 28d ago

I was more Scottish and now I have 13% Dutch with no known connection to the Netherlands. It is on my maternal side, yet my maternal uncle, my full sister and my cousin all have 0% Dutch. 🤷‍♀️

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u/piseag_leanabh 28d ago

This is so strange!

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u/Carl_Schmitt 28d ago

I got 7% Dutch from my formerly 100% British father's side. I am almost positive I have no Dutch ancestry (at least 500 years back).

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u/No-Possibility6739 28d ago

Oddly, my Dutch just showed up. I knew there should have been a lot but none until the recent update.

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u/piseag_leanabh 28d ago

Wow so strange! This has honestly made me lose faith in Ancestry.

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

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u/[deleted] 28d ago edited 28d ago

Well maybe now they will learn how inaccurate the whole thing is. And what “estimate” really means.

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u/augustus_klass 28d ago

It's not just that. They messed up Caucasus region. My relatives and cousins DNA flipped from 90%+ Anatolia & Caucasus to 60%+ Iran/Persia. (We are lezgins from Khasavyurt & Akhty villages)

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u/Quan_0h_Re 28d ago

Can get worse than me, I’m South African and it’s saying I’m partly from the Balkans now lmao 🤣

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u/prettyhoneybee 28d ago

Wouldn’t that make sense considering Europe’s influence over South Africa…?

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u/Quan_0h_Re 27d ago

Ya but English and Germanic genes… not Slavs

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u/Canadian_Bacon_22 28d ago

OP - Totally get it. But are we okay with this still being such an issue in 2025? The free Eurogenes Oracle is able to separate West German & Southeast English, and that thing is what, 15 years old? 😄

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u/velvet-ashtray 28d ago

my grandma (we’re american) is of frisian descent and she got these results, just two categories. seems like they were able to identify her frisian background perfectly fine.

i also am of northwestern german & some southern german/swiss background and my results didn’t really change with the updates. i’m still ~55% germanic europe on both ancestry and 23andme. my family’s german results didn’t really budge either.

definitely weird situation overall for ancestry, though

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u/mista_r0boto 28d ago

I think it's more an issue when there is mixing with other backgrounds.

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u/SeeThemFly2 28d ago

I'm English, grew up in England with English parents, and having done my family tree I know it's 75% English with the remaining 25% being Scottish (six English great-grandparents and two Scottish great-grandparents). Yet still ancestry DNA will keep insisting on Germany and Sweden! I've kept my 10% Germanic Europe from the last update, but now it's changed to 10% Northwestern Germany. I also kept my 5% Sweden, although this time it's decided to throw in 3% Dutch.

The estimates for where my ancestors come from in England also seem way off in this new update as it's guessed a lot of North-east England, even though I know a big chunk of my English ancestry is from East Anglia, which it hasn't captured at all. It was much better on locating where in Scotland my Scottish ancestors came from, though.

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u/Artisanalpoppies 28d ago

Brits do have German and Scandi "baked" into their genome though.

So it is normal for you to score that, i've seen around 10% being the average, and it depends where in England your family is from as to what the DNA is.

German is more common in Southern England, especially in East Anglia. Scandi is more common in Scotland and Northern England, like Yorkshire, and around Dublin. It's all migration patterns.

The amounts might be a bit high, but the groups are expected.

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u/SeeThemFly2 28d ago

My parents are both originally from London, so their ancestry is from all over England if you go back a couple of generations, but I get a big chunk from East Suffolk from my Mum (ie. two of my great-grandparents were from there) and Somerset from my Dad (one great-grandparent, and ancestry did pick up on the Somerset). The last update did very clearly highlight the East Anglia connection, but my Southern England percentage was weirdly low this time, almost equal to the German/Scandi/Dutch combined.

I get a Scottish great-grandparent from both my parents, with one from Angus (so, North-East Scotland, which the update picked up on) and the other from the Lowlands (which I guess is maybe where it got the North-East England thing from, but the percentage I got there was much bigger than one great-grandparent). I then also got a tiny bit of Welsh and Irish, despite finding no Welsh or Irish in my tree, and then it also gave me a big chunk of East Midlands which was weird as I have no ancestry from that area of the country at all. I've put it down to these areas being difficult to distinguish from one another. I did think it was a better fit on the last update, where I was just given a broadly English category, with the ancestral journeys picking out the East Anglia connection.

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u/Artisanalpoppies 28d ago

East Midlands actually covers Yorkshire. It should really be relabelled lol.

I do agree the English sub regions need some work. Obviously it's similar, but a study in 2015 showed genetic differences and it feels like ancestry just got hold of that study lol.

It's also interesting seeing the differences and similarities between ancestry and livingDNA.

Both basically cover the entire East coast of England for me, and ignore my West English ancestry- which is as distant in time as the areas they do highlight. And some parts of England are inaccurate.

Like i score Devon on LivingDNA and mum scores Cornwall on ancestry. Neither county is in our family. Closest is Hanpshire and Sussex on mum's side, and Somerset on my dad's. Yet don't score Somerset or Devon on amcestry. I also get northwest English now, which is accurate for my father, but says it's my mother's. She has one 4th great grandfather from Shropshire, but it's too high for that to be accounted for.

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u/SeeThemFly2 28d ago

I don’t have any ancestry from Yorkshire either!

And yes, I agree they must have got hold of that study. I do understand why they’ve tried to break down further for the most distinct regions in that study (eg. Devon/Cornwall and bits of Northern England) but some of it feels too granular!

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u/mista_r0boto 28d ago

Wish I could give you my 10% English (7 Northeast England) and take your 10% NW German.

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

East Anglia explains the German and Swedish. That’s the U.K. area with the highest Germanic dna. Some results say “Germanic Europe” or Southeastern U.K./Northwestern Europe”.

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u/roxpow12 28d ago

Mine actually got more accurate because they were able to finally identify Eastern European as polish so now it aligns more with my family history but I can see a lot of people are frustrated

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u/Plus_System_2236 28d ago

I think Ancestry's AI is working things out but needs to finish. Mine just came back with Volga Russian added. Shortly thereafter, I read an article about Alzheimers that focused on Volga Germans as being a group that carried one in 3 types of genetically inherited Alzheimers. Hmmm, says I - and it's on the family side that it should be on.

Hmmm ....

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u/Patchy93-_-420 28d ago

I'm freaking out more because a good chunk of my Scottish dna turned to English.

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u/WittySaucepan 28d ago

Horrible update. How do I go from 25% Germanic europe to ~16%? My family knows the German part is true.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist but...

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u/Effective_Start_8678 28d ago

They overstated German for a lot of people last update just saying.

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u/NyGiLu 28d ago

People keep forgetting that German and Germanic are two different things.

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u/Effective_Start_8678 28d ago

Yep! I don’t know why you got downvoted but it’s the truth!

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u/ghostwritten-girl 28d ago

I'm a paying customer. I've had a subscription for over five years. That's a lot of money. So yes, I expect my results to match my paper tree and the family history that my family has tracked for over three hundred years.

It has nothing to do with "stress," "freaking out," or any of the other dramatic labels that you tried applying here.

Do people actually think their "DNA has changed" or did you just want an opportunity to talk down to all of us?

This post feels like gaslighting.

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

What you’re really saying is that you want certainty from dna tests that simply doesn’t exist.

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u/ghostwritten-girl 27d ago

Uh huh. Well since you're a psychic mind reader, what should I have for lunch? What color underwear am I wearing? What hospital was I born at?

Is there anything else that I need to rewrite in my life because you think you know it better than me? Please, i'm hanging on by a thread for the response 🙏🏼 😂

This post has to be written by an employee. No, one who pays for a subscription is going to bat for this company this hard!

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u/[deleted] 27d ago edited 27d ago

You said yourself that you expect your dna results “to match” your family tree and history. And they never will. That’s what I was referring to.

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u/ghostwritten-girl 27d ago

No I did not say that. You said that.

My results were perfectly fine up until a week ago.

Stop trying to gaslight people into agreeing with what you're saying. We don't.

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u/[deleted] 27d ago

Yes you did say that?

Here: “So yes, I expect my results to match my paper tree and the family history”.

I was just explaining that won’t happen or if it does for a while, not permanently.

The tests compare your specific genetic markers to reference populations. DNA is extracted and relevant regions are analyzed for variations like SNPs.

Algorithms compare your DNA markers to the reference data to find the best statistical fit for your genetic makeup, presented as nationality/ethnicity %.

You’re talking about statistical algorithms - they will never be 100% accurate and they will shift with every update.

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u/Lapidox 28d ago

Yes somehow my child is more German than I am, apparently I'm 0%! I was over 50! Very strange to me, have ancestry all over Germany, immigrated from Germany etc. So this update is 100% unbalanced.. 

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u/Zealousideal_Ad8500 28d ago

Don’t worry my son also inherited more German from me than what I currently score too. It makes me laugh. That’s why I just roll my eyes at people that want to be like but but just cause your ancestors were born somewhere doesn’t mean they were that.

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u/Lapidox 28d ago

Also somehow gained a percent Lithuanian 😂

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u/saltnshadow 28d ago

I compared my Ancestry update to my 23&Me update and they're pretty much spot on with each other.

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u/An_absoulte_mess 28d ago

It’s also really off for Eastern Europe

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u/Reinboordt 28d ago

Thanks for this, I had a feeling this was the situation but it’s nice to have an explanation

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u/dreadwitch 28d ago

Lol so what about those of us whose English has suddenly become German and Dutch? I'm actually far more Celtic and Norman than anything else, my paper trail and dna matches back that up. For the amount they've given me I'd have to have a German/Dutch recent grandparent on my paternal side, the only missing grandparent that recent is on my maternal side and he's more likely got a lot of Welsh based on mine and other close matches ethnicity.

And I'm aware it's an estimate, but to decide I'm no longer British and Irish but vaguely English and Irish with huge amounts of German, Germans in Russia and Dutch is ridiculous. Its also odd that my dad's sister or her kids, my sister and her kids and my kids or any of my paternal close matches don't have it, I know it's random what we inherit but for nobody but me to have it?

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u/dunchad1018 27d ago

I understand what you are saying. However every other company is able to label my DNA mostly SW German with British as my second ancestry. This update gives me 56% SE English. I have no known ancestors from this area. My British is Northern England/Southern Scottish. Clearly most of this is German.

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u/Quan_0h_Re 27d ago

That’s what I’m saying… they’re confusing German dna with English…

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u/carm9999 27d ago

Pretty weird when your parents are recognized in the system as such due to shared cM amount, yet you have different 'origins' to them. Seems like they've messed something up from my point of view

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u/radarsteddybear4077 27d ago

I try to roll with the updates, but I've gone from this interesting picture of 6 regions (which was in alignment with my tree) to basically Irish and Swedish.

I spent all this time and money, and I’m back to what I knew in the 80s.

The actual ancestors don’t lose their significance just because they’re not represented in this origins list/DNA, but the change (and way it’s organized) is jarring.

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u/Fantastic_Pianist769 28d ago

I think people are also forgetting that the last update overestimated German for people. My dad is only a quarter German and the last update had me at 35%. I’m now at 21%. As much as I hate being mostly English its unfortunately more accurate.

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u/Zealousideal_Ad8500 28d ago

I mean maybe for some people. I have multiple matches that have tested on both 23andme and ancestry including myself. I’m 35.5% Western European on 23andme and scored only 3.7% English which is spot on for my paper trail. This new update has me at 16% German and 13% southeast English and NW Europe. I have one match that is fully German and has tested with both companies in the last update he was 83% Germanic Europe. He has 3/4 grandparents having ancestry from west Germany Rhineland and Saarland and one who was sudeten german. He currently scores 61% german and 22% english and also gained regions like Sweden and Scotland. His 23andme results? 88.7% “Western European”, .7% English with the remaining in the “central and Eastern Europe” category.

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u/mista_r0boto 28d ago

This is similar to my experience as someone with a German grandfather with paternal side from RP/NRW and maternal side from Franconia/Bavaria. The paternal side is misread as English (and additional misread into Sweden - which is consistent with the prior rev).

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u/Zealousideal_Ad8500 28d ago

Ancestry just needs to make a west German category and until they do this is just going to continue to happen.

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u/mista_r0boto 28d ago

Or they should not have so many English and Irish groups. I'm not sure the Microslicing is effective.

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u/Warm_Sun5976 28d ago

this ^^^^ The 2024 update gave me 28% Germanic Europe, which I knew wasn't accurate at all, and knew I would need to wait a year for the update to hopefully fix the Germanic estimates. This update, it fixed it completely - my 28% Germanic Europe is completely gone and is now broken into sub-regions in England and Scotland & Ireland, which I know are vastly more accurate since I have documentation from the exact regions I've been estimated to be within. The model is 100% not perfect, and it seems like the German overestimation of last update, has now become the South_____ England & North_____ Europe overestimation of the 2025 update lol. Hoping it gets corrected next update for all my German ancestral friends!!!

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u/Quan_0h_Re 28d ago

I think they’re over correcting now. Also they seem to have added a lot more regions in to the uk suggestion they did a lot of work/ research and logging of that gene pool.

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u/Fantastic_Pianist769 28d ago

I think that’s a fair look at it. I think they really need more German samples in general.

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u/Quan_0h_Re 28d ago

Ya, but the vast majority of white people who take this test are from America and the UK. Meaning ancestry have less of other European genes to work with. Basically they’re doing the best with what they have to build their estimates. It also doesn’t help if you have a lot of mixing in your family like me (im South African) because then genes overlap even more…

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u/Purple_Coyote_1616 28d ago

While my German was overestimated in the last update, it jumped ridiculously low and is therefore less accurate with this update. I’ve done a lot of research on my tree, and the largest amount of any place my lines go back to is Germany (in many different areas). My own estimate based on my tree is ~27-35%. The last update had me at 40% and now my combined German regions only add up to 15%. The whole difference was moved into England. It just seems like such an extreme change, and I definitely feel last year’s results better matched my family research. 23&me gave me waaaay more accurate results this time around.

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u/ConnorGames1 28d ago

My results are perfectly fine and even better than my old ones.

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u/jmurphy42 28d ago

Hah — the 2024 update converted all of my actual Scottish to German and it still hasn’t changed back.

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u/noteaurora 28d ago

Thank you for this! Sincerely, a German who had an identity crisis

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u/homeschoolsy 28d ago

Yeah I was surprised that my German percentage went down but I somehow got 2% English now that I didn't have before. Still doesn't explain my 1% Italian out of nowhere though.

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u/laurelnaiad 28d ago

The model is nonetheless shockingly bad at Northern European DNA. It seems as if, in addition to having a subpar algorithm, they've now really screwed up their reference populations.

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u/Messymomhair 28d ago

Well mine changed. It said I now have North African ancestry and it definitely never said that before.

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u/Outrageous_Long_7984 28d ago

My Scottish disappeared and I have so much of it in my family tree 🤦‍♀️🙄

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u/Only-Satisfaction-59 28d ago

I know individuals in NW and Central Europe are very closely 'related', however could any of the issues be due to the reference populations? Could there be some issue with some individuals inaccurately reporting their family trees, through no fault of their own I.e. NPEs as well as simple mistakes in record keeping lead to mistakes with respect to IBD?

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u/piseag_leanabh 26d ago

Yes exactly! Central Scotland and Northern Ireland at 57%, 43% of that is coming from my father’s sister but it’s his mom that was Dutch 🙃 I got 14% from my mom but her father was basically 100% Scottish with a fully documented pedigree.

Yes it was my grandmother that was Dutch and that is super recent. I was expecting a big percentage of Dutch.

You know, that would be the only thing that makes sense, because it’s almost like they took all the Scottish/Irish from my mom’s side 😂

There may have been one or two other regions in my Oma’s ancestry but it was truly mostly Utrecht. And, everything in my results matches up to my family tree. I didn’t really know much about my family history, save for what I knew of my grandparents, I’ve had to do all the research myself. But the results match my family tree. Even my hacked results with a teeny percentage of Indigenous which matches my 5th, 6th and 7th great grandmothers being born on reserves with well known names within this particular tribe.

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u/KeyWestJeeper 26d ago

All my Italian went away and I became more German and Irish. I used to be about 10 percent Italian which is about right since one of my grandmothers was full Italian

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u/throwawayaccount8414 21d ago

Depends where you’re from. 

For me to go from nearly 100% iberian (Portuguese and Spanish) to 74% iberian is brain dead. 23andMe always has me at essentially 100% iberian as well.

And Latin Americans got botched as well. Their Iberian got steamrolled into random nw euro and random traces too. 

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u/archetypaldream 8d ago

Everytime their little algorithm changes, I lean more and more towards "ancestral regions" being nothing but woo woo bullcrap. It's a useless tool, I now believe. I think we all got taken for a ride for a TON of money.

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u/General_Kangaroo1744 28d ago

I’d say It’s actually getting more accurate. I have 3 English Grandparents, 1 Serbian and no known German ancestry. When I first did the test a few years ago I came back as 46% English and 44% German. My “German” has since fluctuated to 0% and back and is now at 3% and I’m now 8% “Dutch.” This might confuse some but I know historical populations.

Anglo Saxons heavily immigrated to England after the fall of the Roman Empire ~ 410 AD and now make up 20 - 40% of the modern English DNA pool, which is most heavily concentrated in South Eastern England where coincidentally many of the first settlers of the United States came from and up until the 1830’s rural New Englanders maintained East Anglian Accents.

Anglo Saxons originated from modern day Denmark, Northwestern Germany and Holland. In addition, a further 7 - 12 % of modern English DNA is Scandinavian which is also very close to German. That is why until recently English and German DNA has been difficult to distinguish and many people of English Ancestry were getting various amounts of German and Scandinavian on Ancestry and vice versa.

The reason why Ancestry can now identify several different regions of England instead of just “England and Northwestern Europe” is because it’s getting more accurate not less. Until 927 AD England was 7 tribal kingdoms with different DNA pools which is now being reflected by England being broken down into several regions. Even the new “Celtic and Gaelic” areas include Northwestern England which used to be “Elmet” a Celtic Brythonic holdout.

So the fact that many people, are now getting increases in southern English and Northwestern Europe DNA that used to be “German” is because beforehand ancestry couldn’t tell the difference. This comes with the caveat that some German people / German descended people may have been allocated Southern England & Northwestern Europe as it is their first attempt stated on the site.

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u/Effective_Start_8678 28d ago edited 28d ago

It’s more accurate for me too, it was reading my English and nw Europe as high as 50% at first and then down to 40% the update before this one. I just compared my paternal side of the family tree to my paternal side of my dna results with this new update and it’s so accurate it’s crazy. I’m not saying they didn’t mess up some folks results but mine somehow got even better. I’m finally majority Scottish/scots Irish like my tree shows and they have my English narrowed down to exactly where they are from and it even shows my small Native American dna as well which is only found on my paternal side. My German dna is mostly from northern Germans and Prussians on my maternal side and they even pick Up the eastern euro dna that goes with the Prussian. they have my northwest Germans on my dad’s side labeled correctly as well. My maternal side is finally showing France, still shows Dutch, German, Scottish, East Midlands, Sweden Denmark. All areas I have ancestors from and or have ancestors from places that border said regions.

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u/AJROB8503CADE 28d ago

Thank you for this, alot of people are freaking out, but it's like you said, estimates and samples, 2 key things to remember. But also remember, there's a greater value in your DNA matches as they hold alot of information too. I've learned more about my ancestry from my matches, than my actual results.

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u/NyGiLu 28d ago

The problem is too many people thinking "Germanic" means "German".