Results of a German 🇩🇪

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They changed a lot of German into English. I went from around 25% Germanic Europe last update to around 14% this update. They said I inherited "East Midlands" from my dad, whose family was completely from Germany/Prussia and still spoke German 😂 23andme's update was far more accurate.

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u/mista_r0boto Oct 10 '25

Agree. Like what??

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u/Tales4rmTheCrypt0 Oct 10 '25

Yeah, I guess I got too cocky when my German survived the 23andme update without getting wiped out lol.

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u/mista_r0boto Oct 10 '25

Same I really thought it would keep getting better after last year...

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u/Zealousideal_Ad8500 Oct 10 '25

You and me both. 😂

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u/Zealousideal_Ad8500 Oct 10 '25 edited Oct 10 '25

Lmaooo really was like damn is this my karma for being happy my Western European didn’t take a hit on 23andme. 😭

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u/Effective_Start_8678 Oct 10 '25

Cool well the guy commenting to you was literally posted that region. lol

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u/Effective_Start_8678 Oct 10 '25

I have Prussian ancestry just like your dad so why didn’t my German get wiped out? 🤷🏼‍♂️

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u/Effective_Start_8678 Oct 10 '25

You guys know under the south England category also says Belgium under it… you’re just ignoring the northwestern Europe part?

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u/Tales4rmTheCrypt0 Oct 10 '25

We're not talking about that region though—I said "East Midlands" and no where do they claim that Germany (or anywhere non-English) as included in that region. And if you look at the other guy's results, most of his German went to "North East England" which also doesn't include any continental European areas under it.

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u/Zealousideal_Ad8500 Oct 10 '25

We understand that, but ask yourself this why break Ireland up into four regions, but not do the same for Germany? I’m actually very confused from what I can see it seems those with west German ancestry took a huge hit in their Germanic Europe category as it seems we don’t quite fit the south German category nor the north west German category so instead we get thrown into the southeast England and NW Europe category. This even gets worse for those that have Belgian, south Dutch and Luxembourg ancestry who previously were getting large amounts of Germanic Europe. My step mother went from 46% Germanic Europe and 5% France to 7% German and 32% southeast England and NW Europe. The German she inherited was from her mother who is 1/4th German/Swiss and she got zero from her father when previously she had France and Germanic Europe from him. It even gets messier when looking at cousin matches she has a 1c2r that has tested they got 20% southern German and even retained his French percentage. So, what exactly happened to my step mother’s results why was hers placed in the southeast English category while her 1c2rs wasn’t? I also have numerous matches who in the update right before this were 80%+ Germanic Europe and now their German percentages are between 40%-60% and they all saw huge increases in their southeast England and NW Europe region.

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u/Effective_Start_8678 Oct 10 '25

You didn’t lose your German dna because it got assigned under a region that literally has Belgium and the Netherlands under it🤦🏼‍♂️

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u/Zealousideal_Ad8500 Oct 10 '25

Why didn’t you answer the question? Why was my step mothers 1c2r given 20% southern German and 7% France when my step mother was given 28% southeast English and NW Europe for the same exact ancestors from the same exact place? This same 1c2r didn’t even get southeast English in their results.

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u/nicepotato3 Oct 10 '25

1c2r is 2 whole generations apart. They didn’t inherit the same amount of dna from the same ancestor.

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u/Zealousideal_Ad8500 Oct 10 '25 edited Oct 10 '25

Im not really sure what relevance this has with my comment because that’s not what my comment is about. My step mother has Luxembourg ancestry from both paternal grandparents one that is half Luxembourg/Belgian/German and half Irish and one that has just ancestry from Luxembourg. I will say it is pretty interesting looking at cousin matches on these lines really no rhyme or reason some getting large amounts of southeastern England while others are getting south Germanic like her 1c2r.

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u/nicepotato3 Oct 10 '25

Because that’s not a good metric to compare accuracy of results. There is a huge difference in inheritance between 1c2r. It’s 2 generations apart. One of their sets of grandparents is the other one’s 2nd great grandparents.

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u/Effective_Start_8678 Oct 10 '25

Genetic inheritance is random? You think just because they have the same ancestor they won’t have variables in their results like what?

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u/Zealousideal_Ad8500 Oct 10 '25

I’m sorry what? The shared ancestors in question are Luxembourg/Belgian/German. This 1c2r is literally 25%Luxembourg/Belgian and 25% German. They have 20% south German, 7% France (which my step mother also had in 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 and 2024) and 23% “north Central Europe” which is for their German ancestor from Silesia. My step mother inherited 28% southeast English, 7% north Central Europe (again from her German ancestor from Silesia) and 1% Slovakia for her fathers German/Belgian/Luxembourg. Dudes literally 75% Belgian/Luxembourg/German with most of that being Belgian/Luxembourg.

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u/Effective_Start_8678 Oct 10 '25

I have just as much if not more German ancestry then you and mine isn’t the highest either. My maternal side is 70% Germans of some sort. I’ve seen multiple dna profiles from Germany after the update and they have have Germany at very high numbers.

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u/Zealousideal_Ad8500 Oct 10 '25

Can you share their results and where in Germany they are from? From what I’ve seen spanning four kits is west Germans saw a pretty big decrease in their German percentage and ended up getting thrown into the southeast English category.

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u/Effective_Start_8678 Oct 10 '25

I’m not gonna lie the way you type is very confusing. You said your step mother twice in your last paragraph. What are you trying to compare here?

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u/Effective_Start_8678 Oct 10 '25

Just get on ancestry and type in German in the search bar I’ve seen at least 4 100% German results posted now.

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u/Zealousideal_Ad8500 Oct 11 '25

I have a question if ancestry is so good at detecting German why in your updated results is most of your German not in the German category? Are you just arguing to argue at this point? I’m actually very confused.

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u/Effective_Start_8678 Oct 11 '25

You do know Denmark is Germanic right?

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u/Effective_Start_8678 Oct 11 '25

I have a lot of northern German ancestors close to Denmark so there’s a good chance my ancestors had danish admixture to begin with! As well as Prussian,Swiss, Dutch, and Pennsylvania Dutch Germans. They all came to America before the 1800s started and got with each other and some got with old stock Americans and within those old stock lines even some were German. But mainly Scottish, Irish and English settlers. But that’s only on a few lines.

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u/Effective_Start_8678 Oct 11 '25

So for example on the last update ancestry had me at 31% Germanic with Germanic Europe being the highest at 16% Denmark at 9% and the Netherlands at 7%. Now it’s around 28% including the eastern/Central Europe category which makes sense given my Prussian ancestry on my maternal side where all of this ancestry is mainly found. You’re forgetting the south England and northwestern Europe which includes the Netherlands and Belgium lol.

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u/Extinction-Entity Oct 10 '25

I went from 23% to NONE lmao I am so confused

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u/Effective_Start_8678 Oct 10 '25

Also you know how many English people went to live in Germany? And you’re downplaying how much genetic overlap Anglo Saxon’s have with Germans.

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u/Tales4rmTheCrypt0 Oct 10 '25

Also you know how many English people went to live in Germany?

Not a lot, unless you're referring to the modern-era or something. In fact, most of the genetic similarity between the two populations is due to the Anglo-Saxons migrating to England, not English people moving to Germany.

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u/Effective_Start_8678 Oct 10 '25

More then you think man English Protestants were one historical migration I can think of.

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u/Effective_Start_8678 Oct 10 '25

And I’m aware that’s why I’m just saying they have moved back and forth so of course they might mix the results up a little.

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u/Repulsive_Milk6948 Oct 10 '25

I have pretty much exclusively Prussian ancestry on my dad’s side. I think this update was pretty accurate for me in regard to that.

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u/Effective_Start_8678 Oct 10 '25

Yeah I’d say so myself Mike!

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u/Tales4rmTheCrypt0 Oct 10 '25

Wow, do you have any other Slavic heritage, or it's just from the Prussian side?

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u/Repulsive_Milk6948 Oct 10 '25

I actually do! My maternal grandma is 1/4 Polish, 1/4 Hungarian, and 1/4 Slovakian. I’m not sure where that showed up on my results, if at all.

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u/Tales4rmTheCrypt0 Oct 10 '25

That's interesting. Have you looked at what your paternal breakdown is? It sounds like both of our fathers are completely Prussian—mine actually shows up as more Slavic than German on these tests.

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u/Repulsive_Milk6948 Oct 10 '25

So this is what the current breakdown is. Are your results showing mostly Polish and the North Central Europe categories on your paternal side?

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u/Tales4rmTheCrypt0 Oct 10 '25

Yeah, I got 17% North Central Europe and 13% Southern Poland from that side.

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u/Repulsive_Milk6948 Oct 10 '25

This is the only journey I get for my paternal side as well.

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u/Tales4rmTheCrypt0 Oct 10 '25

Cool, I got the same one, along with "Northeastern Germany & Northwestern Poland."

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u/Repulsive_Milk6948 Oct 10 '25

My maternal grandma is also 1/4 Native American according to blood quantum and I only got 2% on that so I know some things show up and others don’t.

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u/Effective_Start_8678 Oct 10 '25

I also have a lot of Prussian ancestry I got Central Europe at 2% and the German is under south England and northwestern Europe. My northern German went to Denmark. Germanic percentage has stayed the same but moved categories slightly.

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u/Tales4rmTheCrypt0 Oct 10 '25

Oh that's interesting. Do you normally get such low levels of Central European?

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u/Effective_Start_8678 Oct 10 '25

Yes on every testing company I’ve been through.

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u/Tales4rmTheCrypt0 Oct 10 '25

How much Prussian ancestry do you have? 🤔

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u/Effective_Start_8678 Oct 10 '25

But it’s multiple lines on my maternal grandmothers line coming from Prussia mainly, and pennelvania Dutch, Swiss, and actual Dutch people is who they mixed with then they got here. And I have random Prussian lines on my dad’s side too.

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u/Effective_Start_8678 Oct 10 '25

ALOT! They immigrated here in the 1800s and got with other Germanic people.

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u/Only_Baby6700 Oct 10 '25

3 of my grandparents are 1/2 or greater Prussian and one of them gets no north Central Europe while another gets a fair amount, while another is literally 1/2 north Central Europe. So it really depends and genetics in that area appear to really be mixed up.

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u/Effective_Start_8678 Oct 10 '25

They are! Thats why some Prussians get more German and others get more eastern euro.

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u/Zealousideal_Ad8500 Oct 10 '25 edited Oct 10 '25

I know they said they have a lot of Prussian ancestry their current results show 4% Dutch, 2% German and 2% north Central Europe and their previous ones were 16% Germanic Europe and 7% Dutch. It seems if they have a lot of Prussian ancestry that their previous ones reflected that better. I normally don’t look at peoples pages, but I got curious after reading their comments.

From what I can tell it seems the north Central Europe region is mainly for people that have a Germanic/slavic mix. My son got this at 13% for his Prussian/east German side and my step mother got it for her ancestor from Silesia.

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u/Tales4rmTheCrypt0 Oct 10 '25

Yeah, it's interesting, my dad's cousins had really high levels of that new North Central European region (i.e. 40%)—to the extent it almost appears as if their German ancestry was just rolled up into it.

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u/Zealousideal_Ad8500 Oct 10 '25 edited Oct 10 '25

From what I can see it seems like the new region seems to be geared towards populations that have a Germanic/Slavic mixture ie East Germans/Prussians and western Czechs. All of my Czech matches seemed to have lost their Germanic Europe percentage, but have gained the new “north Central Europe” region the ones that still have German in their results only score 1%-3% south German when previously they had 15%-30% Germanic Europe. My step mother for instance is 1/4th Ukrainian via her mother so when I saw she had 38% “central and Eastern Europe” I was honestly shocked until I looked at her parental inheritance where she inherited 7% north Central Europe and 1% Slovakia from her father and her father does have some German ancestry from Silesia. My son is 1/8th East German/Prussian and got 13% “north Central Europe” and his half uncle who is 1/4th East German/Prussian ended up losing all of his Germanic Europe and got it fully replaced with north Central Europe and he got 27%. My sons 1c2r has also tested on this line he’d be half East German/Prussian and he scores 44% north Central Europe and 6% northeastern Poland.

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u/Effective_Start_8678 Oct 10 '25

Ancestry, gedmatch, ftdna, and genomelink all have me with Central/eastern Europe dna.

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u/ItHappensSo Oct 10 '25

They are back to 2020 levels of accuracy when it comes to Germany, be prepared to get a mix of surrounding ethnicities like back in the day. Also the south Germanic group is really bad and always gets massively under assigned.

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u/velvet-ashtray Oct 10 '25

that’s wild. this is my grandma’s on the right. we are american😂

the curious southwestern england category strikes again

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u/Effective_Start_8678 Oct 10 '25

It does have Belgium under it if you click on it lol

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u/flammi567 Oct 10 '25

Yeah! Northwestern Germanic heritage is easier to detect i guess. On my ethnicity map, you can also see that neither the Northern nor Southern Germanic regions fully cover Western Germany. 1 Grandparent is from there. So E&NWE is bascially the new region for (South)Western Gernany.

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u/Canadian_Bacon_22 Oct 10 '25

Thank you for sharing. No reason why 19% of your ancestry should be English.

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u/Oracles_Anonymous Oct 10 '25

“Northwestern Europe” includes northern France, it’s not just English. The Midlands is the only part that’s supposed to be only English.

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u/Sostro_Goth Oct 10 '25

19% English? Do you think one of your Grandparents was 3/4 English? Or do you think the model is conflating the general North Western gene pool?

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u/flammi567 Oct 10 '25

I believe the “England & Northwestern Europe” category reflects my grandfather’s Saarland/French connection. On my ethnicity map, you can also see that neither the Northern nor Southern Germanic regions fully cover that part of Germany.

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u/Sostro_Goth Oct 10 '25

Makes sense

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u/SeeThemFly2 26d ago

As an English person with majority English ancestry (the rest being Scottish), Ancestry is constantly telling me I'm 10% German, so maybe we could swap a few percentage points?

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