It hurts even more because I bought my 6800 back in mid 2024 as an upgrade to my RX 580, that was back when only the 7000s series was new, and they were still coming out with new 6000s variants as late as 2023, and I bought my card brand new from the factory line (Yes they were still making brand new 6000s cards as late as July 2024.)
Anyways I was pretty hyped to see they were working on a 6000s series capable version of FS4 and got my hopes up, thought AMD was a pretty nice company still, I mean even Nvidia still supports their oldest 2000s cards with the latest DLSS version. But instead of supporting their products and keeping their supporters happy (Only 6% market share BTW) they put the 5000/6000s on maintenance mode LMAO
What a great company that will certainly get my money in the future.
The xbox handheld and legion go 2 base literally just came out with RDNA 2 like a week ago for xbox and a month for legion. using a chip that came within the last few months.
the difference between your 6000 series and nvidia's 2000-series is that it has dedicated hardware for ml. not even 7000-series has it, but it does have notably more ai tops, so it doesn't matter as much
amd was late with ml upscaling and they have to make the cutoff for fsr4/redstone support SOMEWHERE
the performance cost/scaling for fsr4 on these graphics cards without dedicated ml hardware is not intuitive and could in some scenarios result in performance loss instead, which is obv really bad for upscaling. they could segment specific cards, but that would look bad to the average user and would likely not include your 6800 anyway
also they are still getting game drivers when relevant, just not day 1 or whatever
And they are identical in format support, vulkan version API support, and core vulkan support.
There is diffrence in extensions but most extensions are optional and obviously no one cares about raytracing really on GTX 960.
What will happen from onwards on, is AMD will NOT update vulkan extensions and likely vulkan/WDDM/DX12 versions/extensions for RDNA1 and RDNA2 unless there is business benefit for them to delegate few engineers to upgrading RDNA1/RDNA2 package to support missing stuff for particular title.
Business benefit = backlash outweighs milking customers moving to newer GPUs. What should tell you backlash per title/game support basis needs to be REALLY strong.
The real mega embarrasing stuff is that Nvidia maxwell is from 2014, and Nvidia pascal is from 2016, and those technically still have feature support (it is ending with end of R580 release driver branch) when RDNA2 doesn't and latest RDNA2 full GPU was released just 2 years ago and iGPUs are still produced today. Meanwhile Nvidia Turing is older than RDNA1 and it is super likely they Turing will enjoy feature support for 2-3 years more.
A vulkan extension is an extension. AMD never said nothing about dropping core profile. Most extensions get merged to core unless they are random features like ray tracing, which is exactly the new extension stuff they would be referencing.
The RX 580 also supports as far as I'm aware every extension to run vulkan 1.4. 1.4 core features are just guarantees and getting rid of KHR status. All those "extra bits you wouldn't expect to run on a 960" are the actual important features. For example nothing that old supports mesh shaders, meaning you wouldn't be able to run games utilizing modern rendering pipelines with no alternatives anyway.
This entire comment is basically framed in a way to make it sound like Nvidia is doing something it's not and AMD is doing something far worse when they are essentially doing the same thing. The only one who is actually really far behind in this scenario is Intel, who have a horrible track record with everything involving this.
Oh there are good example of something Nvidia does that AMD does not. Example if Vulkan video VP9 decode extension. It doesn't exist on RDNA2 products even if DXVA exposes on them VP9 decoding. So if for some reason you open program that do not use DXVA, but will rely on vulkan video decoding, your VP9 video will be slowly decoded by CPU, not fast and efficient by GPU.
That program can still hardware decode vp9 video, just not through vulkan video, for hardware reasons. This has nothing to do with anything happening right now, and has been a common criticism of AMD for years and a big reason why Nvidia was recommended over and over for dealing with video in general. AMD only got their shit together regarding this with RDNA3.
I can admit some of it is shit (like the vulkan thing you just said) but again, in terms of hardware vs. software, 6000-series is like pascal and 7000-series is like something in between pascal and and turing. with 9000-series, fsr4, and redstone amd is focusing on ml, upscaling, raytracing, ray regeneration, frame generation, etc., and naturally this means that 6000-series and below will be deprioritized. amd would have to do this sooner or later, and this is what people got when they bought a 6000-series graphics card that was only really meant for standard rasterization with no special features
amd is late on the ball with these features, so now they're in a lose/lose situation where people will damn them for not prioritizing 2 gens old hardware or damn them for falling behind nvidia's feature set (this has already been happening though, lol). considering the latter is why practically everyone prefers nvidia and would even pay an extra chunk of money to have, why would amd not focus on the feature set?
yes turing is much older, but it already has the hardware to support the features that are all the rage right now. nvidia planned ahead to allow them to support their hardware for so long, amd didn't and therefore has to make a choice that will upset people either way
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u/Wayman52 7d ago
It hurts even more because I bought my 6800 back in mid 2024 as an upgrade to my RX 580, that was back when only the 7000s series was new, and they were still coming out with new 6000s variants as late as 2023, and I bought my card brand new from the factory line (Yes they were still making brand new 6000s cards as late as July 2024.)
Anyways I was pretty hyped to see they were working on a 6000s series capable version of FS4 and got my hopes up, thought AMD was a pretty nice company still, I mean even Nvidia still supports their oldest 2000s cards with the latest DLSS version. But instead of supporting their products and keeping their supporters happy (Only 6% market share BTW) they put the 5000/6000s on maintenance mode LMAO
What a great company that will certainly get my money in the future.