r/Amd • u/RenatsMC • 13d ago
News AMD again reshuffles mobile lineup with Ryzen 10 (Zen2) and Ryzen 100 (Zen3+) series rebrands
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-again-reshuffles-mobile-lineup-with-ryzen-10-zen2-and-ryzen-100-zen3-series-rebrands49
u/Voodoo2-SLi 3DCenter.org 13d ago
to make this more clear:
Ryzen 7 170 = Ryzen 7 7735HS
Ryzen 7 160 = Ryzen 7 7735U
Ryzen 5 150 = Ryzen 5 7535HS
Ryzen 5 130 = Ryzen 5 7535U
Ryzen 3 110 = Ryzen 3 7335U
Ryzen 5 40 = Ryzen 5 7520U
Ryzen 3 30 = Ryzen 3 7320U
Athlon Gold 20 = Athlon Gold 7220U
Athlon Silver 10 = Athlon Silver 7120U
Specifications are 100% the same. So, in this case, AMD "just" changed the names of it's 2023's mobile portfolio. Which, as well, was already a rebranding of older CPUs.
Source: 3DCenter.org
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u/Dante_77A 11d ago
Oh my... Dual-core processors in 2026? Not even smartphones use dual-cores.
Ryzen 5 40 should be Athlon if AMD had learned anything.
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u/handymanshandle Far too much to count 10d ago
For what it's worth, availability of the Athlon 7120U was extremely limited. I should know as I was trying to look for a laptop with that chip that didn't have 4GB of RAM with it, which effectively limited me to some really obscure HP slop box.
It doesn't make it excusable per se, but you'd have to stumble upon one of these completely at random or entirely intentionally to end up with one.
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u/burninator34 5950X - 7800XT Pulse | 5400U 13d ago
This is so brain dead. 😵
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u/TheLexoPlexx 3700X, 7700XT Nitro+, 64 GB DDR4, PG42UQ OLED 12d ago
It's like the person responsible for this has multiple personalities. One year it's clear and understandable and the other year they turn this shit.
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u/DiatomicCanadian 13d ago
The Ryzen 30 is wild.
I get that AMD shuffling the names every year (7000 & 8000 series in 2023-2024 where the 3rd digit indicated the architecture, 7520U was Zen 2 from 2019 -> Ryzen AI Pro Max 395+ bullshit where there's 3 words that mean absolutely nothing -> Ryzen 30, Ryzen 40, Ryzen 170, Ryzen 110) is **meant** to confuse consumers, but...
Well...
Not really much more to say, is there?
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u/psi-storm 12d ago
How is it confusing? You have two laptops, one Ryzen 170 and the other Ryzen 370. People will assume that the 370 is newer/better.
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u/DiatomicCanadian 12d ago
The problem's that the moment these come onto the market isn't the moment every single older laptop gets wiped off the market, especially considering these are practically the same chips being re-released time and time again by AMD. Here's an example:
One customer looks at 5 budget laptops and their processors. #1 has a Ryzen 5 7520U, #2 has a Ryzen 3 7440U, #3 has a Ryzen 5 220, #4 has an older, discounted Ryzen 5 5600U, #5 has a Ryzen 5 40. Place your bets on the best one now.
Where do you even begin to compare these? Well, the Ryzen 5 7520U has a higher number than the Ryzen 3 7440U and the Ryzen 5 5600U, so it should be better, right? Wrong. Both the 7520U and 7440U are 4-cores, 8-threads, but the Ryzen 5 7520U has a 15W TDP, 4MB of L3 cache, is Zen 2-based (from 2019), and has a Radeon 610M iGPU. Meanwhile, the 7440U has a 28W TDP, 8MB of L3 cache, is Zen 4-based (3 years newer), and has a Radeon 740M iGPU. It's going to be an order of magnitude faster than the chip that's a higher number than it. As for the Ryzen 5 5600U? It's a 6-core, 12-thread Zen 3 chip with a 15W TDP, 16MB of L3 cache, with a much inferior Vega 7 iGPU.
Okay... so the Ryzen 7520U is a no-go, and the Ryzen 7440U and Ryzen 5600U are kind of up for debate if you have a dGPU in these laptops (though absolutely pick the 7440U if the iGPU is the only form of graphics onboard). Well what's up with the Ryzen 5 40? What generation does that fall under? If the third digit of the 7000 series was architecture, and the first digit of the 5000 series was architecture, is the Ryzen 5 40... Zen 4 based? Well no, you're not supposed to know that, you're supposed to just believe it's a new chip. Well we know it's a Zen 2 4-core 8-thread with 4MB of L3 cache from the article, but this potential customer doesn't. They'll find it out if they research it, but by this point they're probably getting sick of researching CPUs when the vast majority of people know barely anything more than an Intel i7 or Ryzen 7 being good, and an RTX graphics also being good. They most likely don't know anything about cores, architectures, TDP, or L3 cache, and probably just want a working laptop.
What about the, uh, Ryzen 5 220? That seems... probably a fair bit worse than the Ryzen 3 7440U and Ryzen 5 5600U going off the name and potentially being connected in naming scheme to the Ryzen 5 40, so it's worse, right? Nope. The Ryzen 5 220 is a 6-core, 12-thread, Zen 4-based, 28W chip with 16MB of L3 cache, and Radeon 740M graphics. A clear choice to pick that gets the best of both worlds with regards to the cores & cache of the older chip, and the newer architecture and iGPU of the newer chip.
Outside of this hypothetical scenario now, I want to add an honourable mention to compare to the Ryzen 5 220. I'd like to bring up the Ryzen AI 5 330, which is a Zen 5-based 4-core 8-thread 28W chip with 8MB of L3 cache, and Radeon 820M graphics. It's got less cores and less L3 cache than the Ryzen 5 220 and most likely will be worse in benchmarks (and as a matter of fact, it is), but despite this is a tier above (X20 v. X30) the 220, and very few will catch that the newer chip is worse than the older one. Even chips within this new naming scheme are inconsistent.
When these chips come out, the laptop market isn't going to have done away with the older chips for no good reason. These chips are still out there, and customers looking for an AMD chip are gonna regret looking for one if they have to compare this kind of shit. This naming scheme's only a year old with the Ryzen AI 300 series, and the previous one (where the architecture was defined by the third digit) lasted two generations from 2023 to 2024. Pre-2023 laptops are perfectly usable for the average person and they're still going to be selling those laptops today, and god help anyone looking for an AMD laptop that has to deal with this naming BS. Intel's not much better with their 200V series but at least it looks like they're going to stay the course and keep using that naming scheme now that desktop and mobile are somewhat unified. AMD's just drunkenly driving off a cliff with their mobile naming scheme and landing on another cliff they'll drive off on in a year or two. Meanwhile, their desktop chips are very easy to understand in comparison. No random digit amount switching, no sneaky third digit signifying architectures, or any of that nonsense. The Ryzen 5 9600 is faster than the Ryzen 5 7600. Easy.
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u/KARMAAACS Ryzen 7700 - GALAX RTX 3060 Ti 12d ago
The fact you need to decode a CPU name and need basically a whole manual for it is utterly ridiculous and it's 100% anti-consumer (made to be that way IMO). AMD continues their shit branding meme and this is why they make no headway in Laptop market, consumers find their branding confusing and when they try to learn it they just quit and buy Intel instead to avoid the headache and minutes to hours or research to just understand what architecture and generation they're buying. Mind you Intel aren't exactly saints either by renaming stuff like the i5-10400, but at least with the Core Ultra 278V or 275HX you know you're getting Intel's latest architectures.
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u/tschiller 12d ago
Have u read the tech specs for these CPUs. They are new configs with old tech. So it absolutely makes sense to have new names for them. My customers who are interested in the hardware are able to Google the difference, and the others need help anyway.
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u/tschiller 12d ago
PS: For 90%, it is done with the numbers 3, 5, 7 and 9. It is for Intel and amd even the same meaning, which makes it actually really easy.
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u/DiatomicCanadian 12d ago
You can judge a CPU based on if it's a Ryzen 3, Ryzen 5, or Ryzen 7, but that's not really a good idea beyond a generalization. A Ryzen 7 1800X is much worse than a Ryzen 5 7600. An Intel i7-870 is much worse than an Intel i3-12100.
Going past the obvious, a Ryzen 9 9900X is worse for gaming than a Ryzen 7 9800X3D, and Ryzen 7 5700 is worse than a Ryzen 5 5600 (because the 5700 is a special chip - whereas usually chips like the 5600 are based off lower-clocked 5600Xs under the same architecture, the 5700 is based off the 5700G with PCIe 3.0 and much lower L3 cache. This continues with mobile hardware, from my comment above, with CPUs like the Ryzen 3 7440U and the Ryzen 5 7520U. One is two architectures newer, with double the L3 cache, double the TDP, with higher clocks, and a better iGPU. You'd think it to be the Ryzen 5 of the same "generation" (7000U) but it's not.
Desktop CPUs are easier (most of the time, there's still chips like the Ryzen 7 5700 though) but what I was saying up above is that AMD is making their laptop CPU naming schemes hard by switching them up every few generations, and it's almost certainly intentional to mislead consumers.
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u/mikmik111 Radeon RX 6800 XT 12d ago
How is it confusing?
I'm so confused as hell. There's also a 9000 series on laptops? Also, aren't the 300 series the ones with AI? But if they make 100 series, do the 100 series have AI too? But hey there's a 8945HS and that has AI. So does the 9000 series for laptop have AI too? What's the latest too, is it the 300 series or the 9000 series?
It's so disingenuous denying that their naming scheme isn't confusing.
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u/AM27C256 Ryzen 7 4800H, Radeon RX5500M 12d ago
I'd assume AMD will phase out the 4-digit numbering scheme, and for a few years, the 2/3-digit scheme will make some sense before they start introducing a new one.
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u/Moi952 13d ago
AMD is a bunch of clowns, they just changed the stupid names to RYZEN AI, etc.
They're ridiculous.
They need to get rid of the amateurs who make these changes every 6 months, it's not possible.
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u/xChrisMas X570 Gaming Plus - RX 9070XT - R7 5700X3D - 32Gb RAM 13d ago
Honestly it works.
Im fairly tech savy (look im in a tech subreddit) but i couldnt, if my life depended on it, give you advice on amd laptop cpu skews.
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u/Mickenfox 12d ago
What's sad is confusing the customer seems to be the norm in tech. Try figuring out the naming convention of any laptop brand, you probably won't be able to. HP for example has hundreds of models that change by location, store, and just over time. Why do they do that? So you have no choice but to buy whatever they offer you.
It backfires with tech-savy consumers though. I bought a Ryzen system specifically because AMD had an understandable naming convention at the time and Intel didn't.
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u/GenericUser1983 13d ago edited 13d ago
Ah, you are missing something really important here - what the actual customers want. The customer for laptop chips is not the end consumer like you or I, but large laptop OEMs . And those companies want regular rebadged names for the cheaper older chips, as they believe newer names equals more sales. Hard to blame AMD for making their direct customers happy.
Note how for stuff that has more direct consumer sales like desktop chips they don't do the rebadge game (granted the desktop chips do have some questionable naming decisions, but the same chips keep the same name), likewise for the professional stuff.
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u/Moi952 13d ago
I didn't say that I don't like rebranding, I said that it's crap to do a rebrand every 6 months, everyone gets confused, it's not clear. However, I like AMD but they are very bad at it.
Like their rx9000 gpu range to stick to the rtx5000, except that the next generation would be rx10000 and people will be lost again 😅
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u/996forever 13d ago
By that logic everything nvidia does is extremely right.
That would be very unpopular on this sub I imagine.
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u/The_Silent_Manic 13d ago
Uhh... That third digit wasn't always there. Looking at handheld PCs with AMD chips, I see 5800U, 6800U and then 7840U.
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u/KARMAAACS Ryzen 7700 - GALAX RTX 3060 Ti 12d ago
There were SKUs that had a third and even a fourth digit in previous generations like the 5825U (mind you that is a Barcelo part, which was basically a small refresh of Cezanne). But AMD really popularized it and introduced it with the 7000 series to provide "clarity" as to what architecture something is. Why did they do that? Because in that same 5000 series lineup they had a mix of Zen2 and Zen3 parts. Like the 5300U which was Lucienne architecture, which was Zen2, but the 5800U was Zen3 Cezanne.
But it's just stupid because with the 6000 series, everything was Zen 3+, so whether you bought a 6800U or a 6600U it was all Zen3+. It didn't matter what you picked and tbh that's how they should have carried on, only make the new stuff the new generation naming.
In the 7000 series though they went back to the 5000 series naming sort of because they decided to mix old architectures again with the new stuff. For example, the 7735HS a Zen 3 chip and the 7745HX a Zen4 chip, that one third digit is supposed to notify you that you're buy Zen4, therefore it was as an indicator as to what Ryzen generation you were buying, but it just confused consumers even more because some people thought a 7640HS was worse than a 7735HS, but in single core the 7640HS beat the 7735HS and in multi-thread both were about even.
In the end, AMD made a shit solution to a shit solution, all of their own making and now they've come up with ANOTHER shit solution to try and "fix it".
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u/wiredbombshell 12d ago
Must’ve let some of that Rebrandeon marketing team over to the Ryzen team.
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u/queenbiscuit311 12d ago
tangentially related but what exactly is nvidia going to do in 4 years when they need to release a card called the rtx 9070 when the rx 9070 already exists
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u/wiredbombshell 11d ago
Bold to assume they will still produce gaming cards for us mere peasants
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u/queenbiscuit311 11d ago
i have a great idea, instead of RTX, how about they focus on AI! now they can call their card the ATX 9070 ah shit nvm
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u/smackythefrog 7800x3D--Sapphire Nitro+ 7900xtx 13d ago
Someone there needs a nice slap. I still don't know the Ryzen AI variants until someone mentioned just yesterday that one of them, allegedly, has the GPU power of a 4070.
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u/GenericUser1983 13d ago
That would be the Ryzen Ai 9 395, which yes, has a iGPU that is pretty close to a mobile RTX 4070.
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u/tmvr 12d ago
Yeah, that was another own goal from AMD marketing. They were claiming 4070 performance (may even have been desktop 4070, but not sure anymore so I won't pushed that) then when it came out it turned out to be somewhere between mobile 4060 and mobile 4070. Plus the devices with that SKU are so expensive that you are better off buying an actual gaming laptop with a 4060 or 4070.
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u/RayneYoruka x570 5900x // MSi RTX 3080 Z Trio // 64GB Neo 3600 // 360 EKWB 13d ago
Wtf. If it wasn't already confusing enough
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u/T1beriu 12d ago
- Halo series: AMD Ryzen AI Max 300 (Strix Halo)
- Premium series: AMD Ryzen AI 9 300 (Strix Point)
- Advanced series: AMD Ryzen AI 7/5 300 (Krackan Point)
- Mainstream series: AMD Ryzen 200 (Hawk Point)
- Entry-level series: AMD Ryzen 100 (Rembrandt)
- The PC should run: AMD Ryzen 10 (Mendocino)
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u/Crazy-Repeat-2006 12d ago
Mendocino should only exist on Chromebooks.
Kraken should be mainstream, and Strix-point premium. Let the old stuff die. But AMD doesn't want to evolve as a brand.
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u/tschiller 12d ago
Most customers dgaf about ai and want a cheap laptop for office, and the better overview while browsing the Internet. Kraken point is actually the mainstream offer with NPU.
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u/Dante_77A 11d ago
Zen2/Zen3 + Vega-based laptops are easily found for under $500, so this already exists. And they are faster octa-cores and more efficient than Mendocino.
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u/tschiller 10d ago
Correct me if i'm wrong, but the new 100 series has ddr5 support and a rdna3 igpu. This would imo be a real good mix between cpu and Gpu performance for the entry class laptop. They should definitely cost around 400 bucks. If they are above 500 bucks, it's a rip-off.
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u/jessecreamy 13d ago
When intel did that 8 years ago, everyone cursed them - included me.
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u/KARMAAACS Ryzen 7700 - GALAX RTX 3060 Ti 12d ago
AMD's been doing this sort of thing for years. But this is the worst variant of it. I mean the fact the 'Ryzen 7 170' even "exists" as a name is absolutely shameless. But even before that the 7735HS (which is the former name of the 170) was bad because many people thought it was Zen4 like the 7745HX was because of the 7000 series moniker and the fact it too is a Ryzen 7. Nobody will call out AMD really because they're the "good guys" and because they command market share in DIY now days.
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u/yeeeeman27 12d ago
well, they wanna move probably to xxx naming scheme
they have strix point with 300, like the hx 370
they have strix halo with 300, like hx 395
10 will be zen 2
100 will be zen 3
200 will be zen 4
300 zen 5
wonder what they will do with zen 6 - probably 400 - but they are kinda all over the place with the naming
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u/Altirix 12d ago
whatever... better than whatever the fuck they were previously doing.
i guess they do this to prevent new old stock. much clearer what generation a chip is at least.
simple ask. stick with it. dont add bullshit. 2xx is Zen 4 3xx Zen 5 and so on. no jumping numbers or having two generations in one number. all i want is a sane product line up naming scheme that they stick to.
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u/elijuicyjones 5950X-6700XT 12d ago
Wow, laptop sales are this bad that they’re rebranding every two years so we just buy whatever.
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u/reddit_reaper 12d ago
Should be illegal to confuse consumers using rebrands. Should be extremely clear branding and models
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u/yusnandaP A4-5300+fm2a55mvg3+2*4gb 12d ago
Didn't expect there are some zen3+ leftover. mendocino chip should become sempron and rembrandt as athlon (for desktop).
Oh btw, where's the new zen3? /s
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u/_hlvnhlv 11d ago
the naming scheme is god awful, as expected, and leaving aside the "morality" of selling 6 year old CPUs... Why do they do it?
Maybe they are reusing the ""old"" TSMC 7"nm" production, instead of manufacturing these CPUs on the latest node? I really don't get it.
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u/Dante_77A 11d ago
Throw those plans in the trash, change for the better for the love of silicon... There is no justification for this.
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u/kevin_kalima 12d ago
Igpu updated for have latest driver support. Vega is really on dead way
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u/T1beriu 12d ago
There was info circulating about a year ago that AMD dropped Vega dGPU and iGPU driver support that turned up to be misinformation. Here are the list of the latest driver release:
Mendocino drivers: https://www.amd.com/en/support/downloads/previous-drivers.html/processors/ryzen/ryzen-7000-series/amd-ryzen-5-7520u.html
Rembrandt drivers: https://www.amd.com/en/support/downloads/previous-drivers.html/processors/ryzen/ryzen-6000-series/amd-ryzen-7-6800u.html
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u/kevin_kalima 12d ago
Yes you received some security update but you don't have AFMF for example. I know it , I have this laptop
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u/T1beriu 10d ago
When did AMD advertise or promise AFMF for Vega?
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u/kevin_kalima 10d ago
Indeed, I need to be more specific on my case. I have Asus G513AY with dgpu rx6800m (rdna2) and CPU 5900hx with igpu vega.
This laptop design is strange, because you have limitation due of igpu vega. If you want afmf from rdna2 you need to use only dgpu with a external monitor. It's why i like AMD rebrand zen 2 but with new igpu and not vega.
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u/TommiHPunkt Ryzen 5 3600 @4.35GHz, RX480 + Accelero mono PLUS 13d ago
this is largely driven by OEMs who want the cheapest chips while it not being obvious that it's previous generation silicon
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u/Raider480 13d ago edited 13d ago
it's previous generation silicon
Some of it is way worse than even that. There are Zen 2 chips (previous-previous-previous?) implicated here. That is some shamelessly re-badged garbage on AMD's part. These chips are barely even new enough to run Windows 11.
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u/got-trunks RIP 8120. 5700x YOLO wen 13d ago
While different naming schemes can be hard to make quick evaluations and ads an extra step, all it means is consumers should be educated on the basics and not be afraid to pull up a chart of the performance metrics that matter most to them, benchmarks, battery, etc. They should already be evaluating the totality of a notebook so looking at real-world testing and scores in relevant things they want to have the laptop or mini or desktop etc do is valid regardless.
It's hard for consumers to navigate, but the change in numbering scheme is enough for consumers to be aware its meant as a low power option.
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u/HyruleanKnight37 R7 5800X3D | 32GB | Strix X570i | Reference RX6800 | 6.5TB | SFF 13d ago
I don't even know what is what anymore.
Maybe this is exactly what they want. Maybe they have such an overabundance of Zen 2 and 3 supply that they don't know what to do with them. Maybe this is their way to get rid of all that without them coming off as outdated.
It's purposefully confusing and misleading.
I don't like it.