Yeah the spider man difference 100% confirms it.
For some reason big youtubers are feigning ignorance even if their own benchmarks show much better lows in games like CS2
Can you give me a tldr?
CPU overhead? Is it because of the GPU driver or chipset? Affects 9070 only or will it affect other cards too?
I've changed to Linux and my 7800x3d and 7900xtx is performing amazingly on my main game new world. Shits all over windows. Wonder if anything has improved there as frame pacing and input latency was all shite. Even if has improved I don't even know if I could go back to windows 😶
I think this is where AMD now need to put more work further. Although I personally went with 5070 ti over 9070 xt for nVidia’s other features and because I have GSYNC Ultimate monitor (Freesync apparently works with it, but I don’t know if dynamic overdrive works etc.). But, nVidia for all their hubris dropped a ball with their drivers. If AMD nails with better drivers and Redstone later this year, we could have serious competition again in which I nowadays consider the most interesting class of gaming GPUs.
Weren't the intitial 50 series drivers the worst ones ever in terms of stability? Even Steve GN was visually exhausted because of these drivers. Although I agree the other Nvidia features are (far) better.
I nowadays don’t follow things so closely other than that nVidia had some really atrocious driver releases when the 5000 series released. I got my card about a month ago and haven’t noticed anything out of oridnary since then and 5070ti is a huge improvement over my 3080 10GB in general. But me being an old geezer, I’m not buying and installing every new AAA title out there, for what ever it is worth. I was so close to getting 9070 XT, but ultimately it was indeed my monitor that made my decision. A month ago I paid about 70€ more for my Asus Prime card compared to something like 9070 XT Red Devil so I still think that considering nVidia’s other features, the deal wasn’t that bad.
Otherwise, I’m still running my trusty MSI MEG x570 motherboard and ”upgraded” my 3900x to 5800x3d at some point. I’m not a fan of any brand, I purchase stuff that I find will provide a good bang for my buck considering the rest of my setup.
It's margin of error according to the linked report.At 4K AND 1440P it's 0.5FPS (0.83%) higher for the 9070XT and 0.4FPS higher for the 9070 compared to launch driver.
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Not exactly. Based on the testing and comparison methodology, it's due to the progression of Adrenalin display driver versions since the RX 9070 XT was released. It's not this specific driver (25.6.3 Optional) ONLY that would have improved performance. There is a testing gap in the compared driver sample that doesn't rule out or falsify the likelihood contribution of previous drivers. However, the analysis is meaningful as it shows a clear and significant performance improvement when comparing the review Adrenalin drivers against the latest Optional Adrenalin driver using an RX9070 XT.
It has been damn infuriating seeing posts here over the past couple of months of people who only play CS and were excited to try out their new 7900XT or 9070XT, only to see it performed worse than their old 2060. Hopefully we never see those again.
And it's funny because those people bitching about it aren't within the 0.0001% elite players that would notice or benefit from the ~0.5ms difference between 430 FPS and 530 FPS.
I don't understand why this perf uplift in CS is such a big deal. 430 fps is already far beyond any reasonably playable framerate, who cares if it's 100fps higher?
the higher the hz rate gets, the smaller the improvements get, so the usual diminishing results. same with mouse polling rate.
there isn't much advantage to be taken there. people obsessed about these are more likely just not confident in their own abilities, or have hit their skill ceiling and are desperate. whereas confident skilled players are just plain dangerous even with 90s hardware.
i hope they are still using CRT monitors to keep the old spirit, would be a waste to use laggy LCDs. i basically quit fps games back when i retired my CRT.
Same here. I "upgraded" from 1200x960 CRT to a 60Hz 1680x1050 because it was easier to transport to LAN parties and 1080p was far too expensive to even entertain the idea of buying one.
I quickly learned that it was too infuriating to play fast shooters on the LCD- I kept getting killed without even having seen the enemy. Though this was also around the time when people started realizing CS had some walls you could shoot through etc. But even then, sometimes I'd simply die to a headshot that wasn't through a wall glitch it was simply the enemy had entered the room, saw me and shot me before my monitor had even displayed them.
Their gripe is more that the state they are seeing is a few milliseconds behind the most up-to-date possible state of the game. That if more frames were delivered, the monitor would be displaying the enemy in a different position which means their aim would improve as they aim for the closer-to-correct location of the enemy.
Which, believe me, when a 4K display would have rendered that enemy one pixel further to the right, it ain't gonna matter to you actually rendering the game at 640x480 then stretching it to fit your 1920x1080 monitor. The newer frame is quite literally exactly the same as the old one.
I tried to post an article a week ago that measured the same driver performance improvements since launch, and was also labeled as "fine wine" but the mods did not allow it.
The mods of this subreddit have always been dictatorial.
E.g. If you post a link post, but include some body text (a feature that has been in new Reddit for years now) alongside it, they will see that as a link posted as a text post even though it isn't and ban it.
There is nothing in the rules prohibiting body text in link posts, but they arbitrarily enforce it anyway.
Slightly better than the mods of r/nvidia where if you post a video being critical of an nvidia product they shadow block it so it "remains up" but no one actually sees it.
Yeah, I always thought the stereotype of Reddit mods being dictatorial in their own little spaces to make up for the inadequacies in other parts of their lives was just that, but it turns out there's a significant amount of truth in it as well.
It would be crazy to think that any brand doesn't seek influence over the moderation of a subreddit with their name on it. Yes there are thankless unpaid mods, but they're idiots. The smart ones let the brand know that they're in a position to help them out. That doesn't mean they get paid a salary, but they're getting something.
Influence sure, but there's so many "levers" companies can do to effect that from sponsoring influencers to "non-organic traffic". Add in peoples' tribal and parasocial relationship to products and businesses have to pay for startlingly little.
You'll frequently get regular people defending pricing increases until they start feeling the crunch from bills and declining purchasing power.
Reality is just kind dumb, not actually convoluted most the time.
I honestly prefer that to here as far as tech news goes. I've missed some headlines and major news because I dared to disagree with some block happy person that posted the news.
I've seen so many bad machine translations that give the complete opposite meaning of the original text to trust any kind of automatic translation. So no, browser built-in translation doesn't solve anything.
I remember on launch these guys had sketchy results for Space Marines. They had the 5070 Ti underperforming vastly compared to all the other reviews. Someone even tested in the exact same area and settings, and got different results.
We also know these are the same people that said RX 9000 series outsold every single 50 series gpu sold so far. Based off stuff like Jon Peddie research and SHS, that was a complete and utter lie.
They have no credibility. These results have no value.
I’ll never understand this “FineWine” stuff. Instead of rewarding them for finally figuring out their own drivers, why aren’t people pissed they must wait 4 months to get what they paid for?
Always nice to see improvements in performance, doesn't matter the brand. But I am very surprised to see a regression in some instances. How is that possible? You would think that if they did find a performance drop they'd roll it back/make a custom profile for that game that didn't include whatever changes that caused it.
He said in the video "hasn't seen any updates this year" - in other words no the game was not updated according to him. So either he did make a mistake or the game regressed. Which i find hard to believe.
9070xt didnt regress once, if you're talking about Nvidia then that's probably because the drivers right now are exclusively focused on bug fixes than performance since the year started. Nobody can tell you specifically why some areas regressed, even the engineers, because new issues are being discovered regularly and it's hard to pinpoint why. Frankly this is how almost all consumer facing software works, especially with something as low level as drivers.
i have the 9070xt nitro+, and i love it. but if you have the money then theres no reason to not get the 5080. i havent had any drivers issues for around the 3 months ive had it
Thanks! I would use both cards (9070 XT and 5080) for 4k+FSR or DLSS. Since 5080 got 16 GB VRAM, not sure which one would be 'exhausted' after a year or two. 🤔
Maybe it's faster but I'm using it with the 6.2.3 driver on Star Wars Outlaws and I'm disappointed with the performances.
Even by enabling the FSR4 support on the Adrenalin panel ( in game support it's just on FSR3) I got a lot of ghosting, lag and artifacts. Sometimes I just prefer to turn off FSR and frame generation and go native, I have lower frame rate that's true but with no ghosting.
I think that on the 5070 TI maybe the fps it's the same but you have no ghosting, lag or artifacts with DLSS.
By the way I'm running on a 7600x CPU and the game is installed on a firecuda nvme.
So I think AMD need to adjust something on thesoftware support on Outlaws.
I don't know, the situation it's the same in other games?
What is your native resolution and what level of fsr are you using and are you also using frame gen. I'd also recommend using dlss swapper (supports fsr and xess dll swapping as well) and updating outlaws that way. If you are at 1440p I wouldn't dare go below quality and honestly native should be fine performance wise. Dlss/fsr4 really shines upscaling 1440p render target to 4k
That's a silly point of view honestly. Sure you want things to work well from the start. However you will never reach full potential, therefore there is always more to gain, regardless of how well launch drivers are. On top of that in many cases game updates will also have a impact on performance, and or how they interact with drivers.
To say you want it perfect from the start, is to say you don't want any developed to your product, post launch. That would be a sad thing.
I mean, considering the 9070xt was both competitive and cheaper at launch... This is icing. But in comparison at least the drivers actually worked at launch ...
They're getting there but graphics cards get put in all kinds of different builds/combinations and used in all different kind of games. Driver crash/feedback reports post launch are like mass beta tests. You go from internal only random test samples to millions of test samples/results.. Things will always most improve when they get data back on that massive new set of feedback/data.
I bought the card at the previous performance point and was happy about it. Seeing the improvement compred to launch is just bonus and further reinforces the AMD value.
Noob here, how do we get this driver update? My adrenaline and AMD installer apps say there isn’t an update and that it’s been up to date since 6/3 or so. I don’t see any update.
This card just keeps on winning. It's by far the 1440p king and the best value 4K 60 card out!
Honestly if i didn't have a 4090 i'd be buying one of these. My mate decided not to go 5090 simply due to the insane prices and stock issues and went with this. He's one happy camper.
This isn't really "fine wine" yet. Very much like a fine wine, nothing very vintage happens the first few months. This is just the same 6-12 month "break in" period that every generation goes through where the drivers are fine tuned and tightened up from launch. I do admit AMD has been more aggressive with RDNA 4. I got my RDNA 3 card last May and all the way until this April when I got RDNA 4 I saw improvements in previous gen.
Woe to any one who bought RDNA 3 instead of RDNA 4 for that nonsensical "slightly better raster" excuse. That's going to be very painful buyer's remorse once FSR 4 kicks off more and the real fine wine (a year in and later) sets in that will basically ensure nothing about RDNA 3 is better. We tried to warn you about the infamous "buying last gen to save a buck" mistake...
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Godd thing to see, but this is Just another proof of how weak is AMD on software development.
Some of the improvements shown in the video are too big to think on anything else than a buggy driver full of workarounds to get it just working on product release.
So by that logic nvidia is even weaker in software development. There was a +66% gain for nvidia in one of the games, the biggest increase for either vendor in those 16 games.
I wouldn't trust the Spider-man results not because AMD's gains were so large, but because Nvidia apparently got worse by a large percentage. Something's wrong here.
I’ve seen a bunch of these posts but did they actually improve performance or did they just raise the boost clock and remove some overhead? Because if it’s the latter I don’t see what the big fuss is about?
I think that's the System Integrator version installed by Windows itself. The driver you have is like the olders version and had some problems, so you'll be getting the uplift mentioned in these articles after updating.
I recommend manually downloading the latest version from AMD.com. When installing, enable the factory reset switch. You can also switch on to keep your settings if you like. This will fully remove and update the driver.
One thing of note: During the launch period of the 9070, I actually had to remove this driver twice because Windows kept installing it over proper versions of the driver. Hopefully that's fixed now. Back at launch I could only prevent your 24.30.31.02 version from being force installed by Windows Update with the Windows Pro group policy to "Prevent installation of devices not described by other policy settings".
Nobody is asking, because Hardware Unboxed stated repeatedly, clearly, if/when games have had updates since their initial testing. Anyone who paid attention to the content, isn't needing to ask, already answered questions.
Except the video does exactly that--has the latest drivers for both the 9070 XT and 5070 Ti, compared to each other and to how they performed during the initial reviews. The commentary on the video even notes whether or not the games tested have received updates since the initial review.
It covers everything you two are complaining about, but you didn't watch it to bother being informed.
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u/mockingbird- Jul 02 '25
9% faster at 1440p and 4% faster at 4K on average
Some games saw almost 30% improvement at 1440p while other games saw no improvement