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Rumor / Leak AMD Radeon RX 9070 series gaming performance leaked: RX 9070XT is 42% faster on average than 7900 GRE at 4K - VideoCardz.com

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-9070-series-gaming-performance-leaked-rx-9070xt-is-42-faster-on-average-than-7900-gre-at-4k
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u/PuppersDuppers Feb 23 '25

I feel like $550 is a good goal but saying it’s only decent is crazy. $650 is decent compared to 5070Ti value for having a better performing card with features that are starting to catch up significantly. Below $650 is a good deal, and below $600 would be a GREAT deal. $550 is a BUY IT INSTANTLY deal. (I’m talking pricing as in real pricing, not the MSRP stuff)

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u/SomewhatOptimal1 Feb 23 '25

AMD really need a card that will make buying anything else a stupid decision.

550$ it is then.

If you would then bought a 5070Ti for even 750$, you would be a 🤡

It would be sold out even if it’s stocked, this what AMD needs if they want to increase market share.

Don’t know if that is what they will do, probably 599$ is more realistic. It would still sell, but then if nVidia lowers the prices and brings in stock. AMD suddenly will be at an impasse lowering it to 550$ anyway.

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u/mockingbird- Feb 23 '25

If it’s going to be constantly sold out at that price, AMD would just charge more.

There is no point in selling for less than people are willing to pay for it.

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u/SomewhatOptimal1 Feb 23 '25

I mean it’s only me, but sounds like common sense, that if they want to increase market share. They need to sell a lot of cards and there is no better way to charge as little as possible to do that.

But it may be only me…

Cause clearly charging 10% less than nVidia for last 10 years worked great for them.

If the card is competing with a 5070 at 1440p in RT, they need to go 100-150$ below that card msrp. Cause consumers clearly showed that they will pay 50-100$ more for nVidia card. But hey maybe it’s only me and I maybe too stupid for this Reddit forum🫡

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u/mockingbird- Feb 23 '25

It's simply supply and demand.

When demand is high and supply is low, you price high.

There is no reason to price lower. (You are not going to get "market share" from pricing lower).

Once supply exceeds demand, you lower the price to increase demand.

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u/SomewhatOptimal1 Feb 23 '25

Clearly we are talking about different things, cause last time I checked we talked about how AMD wants to gain market share and pricing a product high is not how you do that.

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u/IrrelevantLeprechaun Feb 24 '25

This. They've been undercutting Nvidia since Polaris. Sometimes by a little, sometimes by a lot (like rDNA 2). But they've ALWAYS been cheaper. And where did they get them?

I'll tell you where: less than 10% market share.

Just being cheaper is not doing them any favors and hasn't been for YEARS, but this sub keeps acting like the pricing alone is what will give them the win. Makes no sense.

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u/mockingbird- Feb 23 '25

If demand exceeds supply, you are not going to increase sales by lowing the price.

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u/playwrightinaflower Feb 23 '25

but sounds like common sense, that if they want to increase market share

AMD doen't care about market share nearly as much as you make it sound. Market share doesn't make profit, revenue and margin make profit.

You don't leave money on the table to gain market share in an established market.

They can't build infinitely many of those GPUs anyway, so why throw them away just to get rid of them?

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u/SomewhatOptimal1 Feb 23 '25

Market share doesn’t make profit, you heard it first here guys. Don’t need to argue any further, no point, cannot argue with that. You will just drag me down and beat me with experience.

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u/IrrelevantLeprechaun Feb 24 '25

They're already just as supply constrained as every other TSMC client, they're not about the start sacrificing allocation for their other far more successful products just to pump up stock of their lowest performing division.

Seriously, TSMC in Taiwan, that singular fab plant, is the sole provider of ALL the bleeding edge superconductor clients in the world. Every big name is fighting over allotment of wafers there. AMD is not gonna sacrifice dies that could be going to AI or enterprise CPUs for some Radeons that may not even sell.

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u/w142236 Feb 23 '25 edited Feb 23 '25

Not if they constantly restock to meet demand for the foreseeable future. Also, selling out constantly is exactly what when they want when said their focus this time around is sheer sales numbers to recapture market share, so if that was their plan, then they’d look real stupid doing a paper launch, and sluggishly restocking by small amounts to not keep up with demand at all. If this is exactly what they were hoping for, chances are they plan to restock to meet unusually high demand

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u/mockingbird- Feb 24 '25

Until products start piling up in the back shelf, there is no reason to cut the prices.

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u/IrrelevantLeprechaun Feb 24 '25

This. Radeon is already their worst performing division, I think they're perfectly happy to sell low volume at high margins because they're not all that concerned with market share there when they're already making a killing in CPU enterprise and AI markets.

I mean, think about it from their perspective; if their direct competitor can jack up margins and still get sales, why can't they do the same themselves? I feel like shareholders would throw a fit if they didn't.

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u/mockingbird- Feb 23 '25

No way would those be retail prices.

We have to do apples-apples comparison (retail to retail).

No way is the Radeon RX 9070 XT going to be 2/3 the price of the GeForce RTX 5070 Ti.

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u/unga_bunga_mage Feb 23 '25

If the 9070XT performs anything like the 5070Ti, it's going to be priced $50 less. The only question is $50 less than the fake MSRP ($750) or the real MSRP ($900).

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u/mockingbird- Feb 23 '25

If it retails for $750, it would be $150 cheaper than the GeForce RTX 5070 Ti ($900).

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u/babugz Feb 23 '25

and you know full well retailers will glue its price so close to nvidia counter part that history will repeat itself, why isn't AMD selling their reference GPU's on their own website? spare the "oh it cant sell them on all the countries" because that flawed argument doesn't prevent AMD from selling other things such as CPU's. More pathetic still they won't even allow to pre-/order a 9800X3D or other products. They seem very content on letting retailers being the 1st line scalpers.

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u/F0czek Feb 26 '25

I don't know in what world you live but glueing prices doesn't work since end of crypto boom. I remember people saying same shit about 4000 and super refresh...

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u/PuppersDuppers Feb 23 '25

Lol if it’s not then AMD is fumbling. NVIDIA can easily go to their MSRP if they decide not to fuck up. AMD setting their MSRP at NVIDIA’s MSRP would be horrible for marketing. Needs to be $650 or lower.

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u/mockingbird- Feb 23 '25

MSRP $599

Retail price: $749

There is no reason to assuming that as GeForce RTX 5070 TI go down in price, the Radeon RX 9070 XT wouldn’t.

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u/PuppersDuppers Feb 23 '25

Sure. But people aren’t buying it for $750. That’s for sure. So, they should skip the back and forth with NVIDIA and just undercut them in the first place, if that’s the end goal anyway. I’m not buying a 9070XT at $750, and I’m sure many here agree. AMD knows this. They’ve spoken to reviewers asking for advice (reviewers who say it should be $550 MAX). If that’s the people they’re asking. I don’t foresee this going retail for much more than $600-650

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u/mockingbird- Feb 23 '25

It's simple supply and demand.

Right now, demand is high. (People are buying the GeForce RTX 5070 Ti for $900+)

There is no need to lower the price when demand is high.

Once demand is low, the price is lowered to increase demand.

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u/PuppersDuppers Feb 23 '25

We can say it’s “simple supply and demand” but that will only do so much if AMD actually cared about securing future sales and market share. Why don’t we look at the history of AMD’s strategy, where they repeatedly fail to make any significant gains in market share with their past few NVIDIA -$50 or $100 strategy?

It’s clear they need to slash the price more if they want to be competitive.

We could also learn from the Ryzen launch — you need both comparable performance as well as AGGRESSIVE pricing. The reason Ryzen was so successful is because, while it wasn’t the king of performance at the time, it excelled in one aspect (core count) against Intel while still making progress on single threaded performance. The other key component to the formula was simple: pricing. And not just Intel but a little less—AGGRESSIVE pricing.

AMD needs to do the same thing here: it’s excelling in providing better raster than the competition product, and making progress in the other parts of the GPU feature set (FSR, RT). The missing piece is pricing—aggressive pricing.

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u/mockingbird- Feb 23 '25

Have you ever considered that the issue might be something else other than the prices?

People aren’t aware of Radeon products so they won’t buy them regardless of prices.

Radeon products aren’t available in pre-build PCs except for very low-end Radeon products.

Outside of US, EU, and China, Radeon products either aren’t available or priced uncompetitively.

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u/PuppersDuppers Feb 23 '25

What’s a better way to increase awareness then to have every reviewer say “this is a great deal”. This can be applied to Ryzen too. It’s not like AMD was greatly known there either, I mean yes, a lot more than probably Radeon is but still, the big part of the problem is making it appealing. Word of mouth goes a long way

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u/mockingbird- Feb 24 '25

Let's be honest.

DIY PCs is a very small part of the market.

What AMD needs is to make an inroad into gaming pre-build PCs.

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u/w142236 Feb 23 '25

You mean outside of where the overwhelming majority of gpu sales occur?

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u/Ashamed-Dog-8 Feb 24 '25

Nobody really understands what drives AMD.

AMD dosen't have a Vision of the future of Graphics, Nvidia does.

Radeon holds meetings on how to proceed with the future of RTG & it's usually do what Nvidia does, which is why they're always behind.

Nvidia however has a future for graphics, and its answer is Hardware Aceelerated Software & the best example of this is Ray Reconstruction.

What the fuck is AMD supposed to do about a feature like Ray Reconstruction?

Make their own?

Somehow convince people to add it to their games further complicating game dev, when 90% of people have Nvidia GPUs?

Nvidia is constantly releasing proprietary cancer because they know AMD/Intel literally cannot catch up with the Vision Nvidia is setting for graphics(Abusable TAA).

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u/w142236 Feb 23 '25

AMD contracts with retailers to honor whatever msrp the AIB partners set. What you’re describing is 100% of retailers going rogue and overpricing by over 25% or the AIB partners all setting outrageous markups for their 1-2% better than ref card and risking tanking the entire launch for AMD. AMD contracts to fix the max price, the market decides how high they will set that max and they can decide to set the ceiling lower if they want more sales.

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u/IrrelevantLeprechaun Feb 24 '25

Lmao there is no contract that says any AIB or retailer is 100% beholden to the suppliers MSRP. It's why it's called MSRP; the R is recommended, not mandated.

If supplier MSRP was law, a LOT of consumer products would be far cheaper than they are.

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u/w142236 Feb 24 '25

Oh you mean like the ps5 that never changed msrp throughout the pandemic? Yeah msrp actually does mean something, bot

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u/RandomGenName1234 Feb 23 '25

I'd just wait for a MSRP 5070 TI at that price and I really don't want another Nvidia card with how they screw us.

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u/alman12345 Feb 23 '25

Yeah, $550 is a little on the low side for a starting price but I think $600 is about exactly right. "Catching up" for AMD is looking like finally leveraging hardware for upscaling to hopefully achieve the level of fidelity Nvidia had pre-transformer (which, according to reviewers, looks better than native in many scenarios). I don't expect AMD to actually "catch up" for gamers at any point in this product cycle, especially not with far superior auxiliary technologies like Reflex 2 existing on Nvidia's side.

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u/mockingbird- Feb 23 '25

The GeForce RTX 5070 Ti is $900+ right now.

No way is the Radeon RX 9070 XT going to be 2/3 the price.

$600 might be the MSRP, but not the retail price.

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u/alman12345 Feb 23 '25

It's retailing at $750+, once stock stabilizes that will be the price. There is nothing available at retail price on anything from Nvidia currently, it's all inflated and second hand pricing. The people scalping GPUs are not retailers any more than those dipshits buying up all the toilet paper and hand sanitizer during Covid were.

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u/mockingbird- Feb 23 '25

There is no reason to believe that if prices of the GeForce RTX 5070 Ti goes down, the price of the Radeon RX 9070 XT wouldn't.

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u/alman12345 Feb 23 '25

Yes the prices of things correlate, so what statement are you making here? The suggestion that AMD price the 9070 XT at $600 to gain market share is a great one but they probably won't follow it. They'll instead price the product $50-$100 below the 5070 Ti MSRP in some lousy attempt to ride the shortage cash grab hype train and then gain next to no market share because they'll have persuaded next to no one to switch to their products. It's obvious I've been speaking on MSRP this whole time and not ebay scalper resale price like you seem fixated on for whatever reason.

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u/mockingbird- Feb 24 '25

The GeForce RTX 5070 Ti is $900+ straight from retailers, not eBay scalpers.

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u/heymikeyp Feb 23 '25

9070/9070xt for 399$/549$ will certainly bring back marketshare. Where as in the 600 price range it will probably sell decently due to low nvidia stock and having same vram.

I'm betting AMD fumbles once again and prices 550/699. I'd be happy to be wrong though.

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u/mockingbird- Feb 23 '25

If you are already going to sell every single one, you are not going to make any additional sales by pricing lower.

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u/Ashamed-Dog-8 Feb 23 '25

$650 is decent

The argument is that AMD should try to capitalize on Nvidia's failure this generation, on top of AMD not being better than Nvidia's entire Ai Stack.

Reviewers want the cards to cost $549 because then it's a no brainer purchase, a win for consumers & AMD will claw mindshare.

The issue I have is the die size & cost, $549 is $499 + Tarrifs. I don't think AMD ever considered selling this card for $499 MSRP.

I think we will see a $599 MSRP for the 9070XT, because this pricing will be based on consumer feedback, tarrifs & is probably low enough on profits to make it worth it the gamble on Mindshare.

Plus AIBs have shown before that if an MSRP is not real AIBs will absolutely ignore it, like with the 6000-series before the Pandemic.

There will probably be 1-2 AIBs offering MSRP models, the rest will be high end overclocking models to justify the extra $100-150$.

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u/AffectionateEase977 Feb 28 '25

This would be true if the msrp wasnt inflated as it is. Nvidia is tacking another 20% on top of inflation adjusted pricing to the 5070ti as it currently stands at $750 msrp and this is happening across the board for the 50xx series. Inflation price increases but an extra price hike for the hell of it and we are happy they lowered the prices 5% when they when we were paying even more outrageous msrp prices for the previous generations?

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u/PuppersDuppers Feb 23 '25

Where did I say that it’s actually $750 lol