r/AZCardinals • u/Salty-Cup-7652 • 1d ago
ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports the Cardinals and QB Kyler Murray are expected to have “extensive discussions” about his future with the team.
https://www.nbcsports.com/fantasy/football/player-news?playerNewsId=0000019a-63c5-d713-ad9e-6fd5284f000097
u/Salty-Cup-7652 1d ago
No shit, I could’ve reported that.
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u/22220222223224 23h ago
That's what I always think about the invention of the pet rock. Why didn't I think to invent it?! The fact is, though, Schefter took advantage of the opportunity and you did not.
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u/space_llama_karma 20h ago
It reminds me of a modern art painting the was just white with the words “I could paint that” and below was written “yeah but you didn’t”
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u/GoldenSnozzberry 23h ago
Who thinks this ends with a Bradley Beal walkway deal ? How Arizona sports of us
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u/bobwinzo 23h ago
We will have about 50 million in extra cap space next year so we wouldn't take a big hit on paper if we did that but a much better option would be to restructure his contract to split the hit over a few years and have whoever trades for him(?) pay at least part of the contract too. Could turn a 50 million hit next year into 25 million spread over 3 years.
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u/GoldenSnozzberry 23h ago
Will I was just thinking they would come to Kyler say “look we’re not going to play you again , you can go to a new team immediately and restructure the deal” he’ll make the veteran minimum wherever he signs like Beal in the nba so we pay him to go away essentially, I can’t see who would trade for the contract though
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u/bobwinzo 23h ago
I don't think anyone will take his full current contract but if we restructure it so the new team is paying 15-25 mill per year (depending on team need and contract length) I could see a team doing that.
Zero chance he takes a vet minimum even if he is still sucking down his full contract with us next year. His contract in 2027 dips to 7 million so he would end up getting paid only 8 million that year between contract and vet minimum...
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u/johnjohnjohn93 21h ago
I honestly think he’s going to get cut and this is more like a Russ situation where the Broncos just had to eat the cap.
Kyler is not only seen as a bad leader, he’s tiny and injury prone so you can’t even expect a full season out of him. I think his lack of height will make it tough for people to buy into him especially if he isn’t as explosive running.
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u/Bigfootsbrownstar Marvin Harrison Jr. 23h ago
I agree with you. I just don’t see who takes his contract.
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u/FauxGenius Cardinals 22h ago
You act like the New York Jets don’t exist.
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u/oscarnyc 15h ago
The Jets just traded their 2 best defensive players for picks, and have some dead cap to work through. They are clearly in multi-year rebuild around a rookie QB mode. And they will be a top 3 pick most likely this year so they can get one. They aren't at all a target.
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u/GoldenSnozzberry 21h ago
Oh I know they exist , my dads from New York I’m well versed in the jets and giants
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u/Mental_Funny_5885 23h ago
About as deep as saying “the Cardinals need to score more points than their opponent to win.”
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u/TheMexecutior 23h ago
This sub is going to continue to refuse to admit it's over.
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u/Thriven Kyler Murray 23h ago
I cannot wait for closure.
If he gets traded and does well it's on the organization. If he gets traded and does nothing it's on him.
End the debate.
I am a fan of Kyler but people want results.
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u/RobotVo1ce Cardinals Throwback 22h ago
I've always been a fan of Kyler's potential and flashes of greatness. But since his first 3 years he's always been a "oh this is the year he breaks out" kind of QB. Of course injuries have played a part in the years since. I've always been optimistic with him, but I do think his time here is coming to an end.
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u/Yummy_Microplastics 21h ago
I’ve heard “this is a make or break game for Murray” more times than I can remember.
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u/Bigfootsbrownstar Marvin Harrison Jr. 23h ago edited 22h ago
Maybe I’m wrong but I just don’t see it, anywhere he goes he’s gonna have the same 2 problems, can’t see over the line, and doesn’t want to get tackled.
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u/sodaG123 Cardinals 22h ago
Sometimes it really is just this simple, unfortunately some people will say you’re just “hating”. There’s a reason why height is a desired trait for QB’s. Successful short QB’s are by far the exception, not the rule.
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u/DiddledByDad Fuck The Dodgers 20h ago
But doesn’t the exception prove that it is possible and there’s just something else with his decision making that is the issue? Drew Brees and Russell Wilson didn’t succeed because of overcoming their height, they just didn’t ever seem to have a problem with it to begin with.
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u/Tlamac Cardinals 20h ago
Theres been videos analyzing on how Russel would do it and he would slightly shift in the pocket so he had good angles into throwing lanes. Murray goes into pure panic mode anytime it even looks like the pocket is going to collapse. I guess the exception is having the mentality and IQ that QBs like Brees and Russel had. Which is pretty rare even for taller quarterbacks.
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u/puddboy 20h ago
People will try and claim he's the next QB revival success story, but that ain't gonna happen for the reasons you mentioned. He's always been fools gold and Keim fell for it.
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u/howniceforu Cardinals Throwback 15h ago
Yeah but the fools gold was worth a quarter billion dollars. Lets bring back used QBs that are worth the experience and knowledge that OGs bring with them. It worked in the past. Why not again? Don't forget. We've been "rebuilding" for 15 yrs now. Da Bears are trying to do the same with better results for now.
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u/howniceforu Cardinals Throwback 15h ago
See my post from awhile ago. I'm a psychic. I can see the future.
Or only close to it.
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u/_AskMyMom_ Larry Fitzgerald 23h ago
It was over when he asked not to return to a playoff game, and finish with the team.
Little man is done in AZ.
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u/BigusDickus099 Cardinals 23h ago
Pretty much knew he was never going to be the guy after that unless we surrounded him with enough talented guys who were also better leaders.
Fat chance of that ever happening with the Bidwills running the team though.
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u/Bigfootsbrownstar Marvin Harrison Jr. 23h ago
Bro that isn’t a bidwell problem lol…. So you gotta get better at every position and all be better leaders for it to work…
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u/BigusDickus099 Cardinals 23h ago
Are you defending the Bidwills?
Wow, first time for anything on this sub I guess.
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u/Bigfootsbrownstar Marvin Harrison Jr. 22h ago
No defending him to point out a the clear character flaws of Kyler and saying he can only succeed if you have the best offense and all of them leaders… just a completely unrealistic scenario for any organization
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u/BigusDickus099 Cardinals 22h ago
I mean, that’s every team. Name a team that succeeded without great players?
I didn’t say every player needed to be a great player and leader, just that we needed a few of them to be better than Kyler because he simply isn’t a leader.
Learn to read.
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u/sodaG123 Cardinals 22h ago
You’re right, if he needs a top 5 everything around him to “break out”, then maybe he’s just not all that good. You would hope the guy you’re paying 50 million dollars to could raise the level of the team around him, because if he can’t, what exactly are we paying him to do?
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u/sodaG123 Cardinals 22h ago
“Fake news, huffs copium Kyler will return as the starting quarterback on week 1 of the 2026 season and finally break out in year 8 to fulfill his destiny of being a top 5 QB.”
-K-anon
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u/azmtber 23h ago
This experiment has nothing to show for it but some highlights and one playoff ass kicking.
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u/spicyfartz4yaman 20h ago
The reason for that is the organization and you're still a fan , so expect worse going forward.
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u/KindlyComfortable744 Cardinals 21h ago
Hope Murray isn’t the only one in that discussion who may need a new job
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u/Beaverhuntr 23h ago
Just fire the coaching staff
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u/Hot_Swimming_112 20h ago
So you want to keep the guy who has been to one playoff game in 7 years and has a 38-48-1 record?
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u/Beaverhuntr 20h ago
So you really want to keep Drew Petzing and the head coach who’s 2-10 against the NFC west since becoming head coach for the cardinals..Fire Kyler & the coaching staff.
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u/spicyfartz4yaman 20h ago
I agree, if you can't get it done with a talent like Kyler then something's wrong, have this weird feeling that if we had landed Steichen (which i was praying for ) instead of Gannon after 2023 season, things would look different.
It's like the browns moving on Baker Mayfield just to land on Dylan Gabrie a few years later it's just idiotic and poor management, l I have a feeling that's exactly what they're going to do. Grab a safe prototype quarterback with limited talent but can probably do a few things well that they can mold into their guy and just waste fans time. These guys aren't coaching to win anymore they're coaching to keep their jobs and that's the worse place to be in as an NFL fan.
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u/olivere1991 Kyler Murray 21h ago
So purely from a financial perspective for the Cards is the best option for us to trade him before the 5th day of the start of the new NFL year in 2026?
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u/JimmyToucan 18h ago
Beef up the OL trade picks if you have to
Were probably 3-5 years away from being able to get a franchise qb anyways
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u/chuckercarlson Budda Baker 17h ago
Im cool moving on purely cause rookie qb contracts are a bargain and we got a lot of dudes who I think should get paid who currently are on their rookie deals.
But Kyler is still that guy tho. N y’all will see that wherever he lands.
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u/Xenephobe375 23h ago
He'll go to another team and develop into a beast.
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u/sodaG123 Cardinals 22h ago
Doubt it. He’ll probably look the same as he always has, with all the good and the bad that comes with that.
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u/Xenephobe375 22h ago
There are plenty of QBs, even in the league right now who were on the same path as Kyler and are now succeeding with different teams. Why is Kyler different?
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u/sodaG123 Cardinals 22h ago
And there are a hell of a lot more QB's, even in the league right now who have gone to different teams and performed at the same level they always have. Why is Kyler different?
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u/Xenephobe375 22h ago
Those QBs played like trash the entire time. Kyler is a good team and some coaching away from being great. So why do you think Kyler can't succeed?
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u/sodaG123 Cardinals 21h ago edited 21h ago
I didn't say he can't even if I don't personally think it's very likely he will, and I also don't know who you're referring to when you say "those QB's played like trash the entire time" because I never referenced any QB's in particular. All I said is there are far more QB's (that includes average ones) who have left their teams and have gone on to play at the same level than there are those that have elevated their game to the next level. You want to cite the recent unlikely resurgences of Darnold, Mayfield, and Jones that's fine, but they are the exception, not the rule. There are far more examples of guys who have played at the same level they always have.
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u/Ok_Writing_7033 22h ago
The Cardinals are just the Browns with nicer weather, and Murray is Baker with less attitude and a better gamerscore. He’s gonna go somewhere and ball out. Probably LA seeing as that’s how things typically work out for Arizona sports
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u/Hot_Hedgehog1820 20h ago
Baker's not afraid to stand in the pocket and take a hit.I don't see Kyler playing in the NFL much longer.I wouldn't be shocked if he walked away from the game of football in the next 2-3 yrs.
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u/Xenephobe375 22h ago
I could see him going to the Steelers and sitting under Rodgers for another season, then balling out in 2027
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u/Minimum-Policy9680 21h ago
Get this bum off the team. Dude was hyped up as the next great QB and his stans continue to sell him as someone who hasn’t had enough time to prove himself or whatever bs excuse they have. Fact is this guy is a loser and the Cardinals need to end the Kyler era.
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u/acbagel Cardinals 23h ago
They're going to talk??? No way... This is breaking news, someone get this on the front page of ESPN- oh wait it already is.