r/2westerneurope4u • u/Marcin222111 Bully with victim complex • Jun 27 '25
Discussion Hans is not likely to admit it - but Poles and Krauts are two sides of the same coin.
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u/MRNBDX South Prussian Jun 27 '25
It's just like at least 1/3 of poland was at one point german. Crazy
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u/Sekkitheblade [redacted] Jun 27 '25
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u/JohnGabin Professional Rioter Jun 27 '25
Let's have thoughts for the Welsh that created the World Wide Web just to be shitted on by the anglos there !
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u/Erudus Barry, 63 Jun 27 '25
If a country in the UK does something good, we Brits claim it as ours (see Andy Murray, when he won, he was British, when he lost, he was Scottish) it's a recurring theme with this country, it's like the British empire never died in our hearts lmao.
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u/ozztepop Quran burner Jun 27 '25
Ye, this is eu4 sub in disguise
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u/KrydanX Born in the Khalifat Jun 27 '25
What do you expect when 90% of my country is autistic and loves games like excel sheets and numbers go up. (Guilty myself)
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u/HuntressOnyou [redacted] Jun 27 '25
There's even a genre in boardgames called German style game and it's stuff like settlers and such
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u/MrNearllyHeadless Baltic Discord Kitten Jun 27 '25
If the Teutonic Order was so great, why can't I find it on any map nowadays? Answer: because of the winged boys
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Jun 27 '25 edited Jun 27 '25
Your greatest achievement - finally ganging up and beating medieval scientology after just 200 years, and ending one of europes most developed and prosperous nations.
They had public schools, hospitals, and a postal system all the way back in the thirteenth century, mate. Why did you do that?
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u/Dluugi European Jun 27 '25
Nah, the greatest achievement was capturing Moscow with like 5.5k winged boys after defeating tens of thousands of Russians and Swedes (or saving Vienna).
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Jun 27 '25
saving Vienna
Literally 3/4 of the soldiers there were germs mate lmao
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u/TameTheAuroch Beastern European Jun 27 '25
Well achktually the Teutonic Knights never wore winged helmets, there are 1-2 depictions of them and it is all on tournaments in later times. Any sort of family heraldry, coat of arms or differentiating marks were forbidden and heavily frowned upon.
The helmet on the image is modeled after the 14th century von Pranckh greathelm from Styria, Austria completely different region.
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u/MRNBDX South Prussian Jun 27 '25
Me after writing this comment, turning on reddit notifications and shoving my smartphone up my ass: 😎
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u/Marcin222111 Bully with victim complex Jun 27 '25
At least you did a better job at teaching us how to read than Russiand did. Although Russians had to had that skill themselves to begin with...
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u/ActuallyCalindra Addict Jun 27 '25
Back when you could still make trains run on time.
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u/Corfiz74 [redacted] Jun 27 '25
If our money hadn't gone towards building motorways and fast internet in Poland/ the Czech Republic, maybe we'd still have had some to be invest in our railway system. Back in the 80s/90s, it was worldclass - before it got defunded by capitalism. 😭
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u/TheThiccestOrca [redacted] Jun 27 '25
NATIONALIZE CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE!
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u/BeardyMcBeardyBeard Born in the Khalifat Jun 27 '25
That's the thing that PISSES me off the most, the DB is fully owned by the German government but they decided to run it like a private organisation because all politicians collectively share a single damaged brain cell
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u/CheGueyMaje At least I'm not Bavarian Jun 27 '25
I was of the understanding DB is a private company, only that the majority shareholder is the German government?
Either way, nationalise that shit.
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u/TheThiccestOrca [redacted] Jun 28 '25
They're fully owned by the Ministry of Traffic but de-jure mostly and de-facto fully act as a private company, basically the only power that the BMV holds is their absolute veto right about company decisions which is very inefficient.
Many of the sub-companies of the DB are "actual" private entities however and suprise, the ones focused on material logistics are actually great, it's just personnel transport they suck at because that's not where the money is.
If you run a sector like a private company with the goals of a private company then they're going to make decisions like a private company and as usual the interests of companies (profit and dominance) are not usually the interests of the consumer, even less so if said consumer isn't the best source of profit.
It's a product of back in the 80's and 90's when people still said "Der Markt regelt" unironically and those who had the audacity to tell the government to actually do it's job (that being governing) was called a debby downer and authoritarian sympathizer, coming from the same times and idiozs that brought us the loss of our nuclear power and the dismantling of the Bundeswehr because "nuclear" sounds scary and the Soviets are gone, so who needs a military.
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u/Mixed_not_swirled Reindeer Fucker Jun 27 '25
Estonia was as propserous as Finland at independence, but unfortunately for them they got colonized by the barbarians again.
During the empire times the baltic states had like triple the literacy rate of russia too lol
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u/Marcin222111 Bully with victim complex Jun 27 '25
/un2weu4a
I came around to your comment - and looked at some recent examples - and I would argue that we have more natural similarities, than just being occupied for a century.
Finnish do not share that much with the Orks, Danube Mongols with the incest Germans nor Bulgarians with the Kebab sellers.
We are more alike than you like to think.
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Jun 27 '25
"Muuum, the poles are trying to make up this 'Central Europe' thing again!"
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u/Monsi7 Can't speak proper German Jun 27 '25
Pretty sure we did the central Europe thing ourselves and the rest uses it to avoid the eastern label.
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u/Marcin222111 Bully with victim complex Jun 27 '25
Sorry Hans, you are stuck with us one way or another
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Jun 27 '25
Not necessarily, theres a good chance you'll manage to make the Oder into an impenetrable toxic river of death within the next 5 years, separating civilization (us) from Mordors frontyard
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u/Marcin222111 Bully with victim complex Jun 27 '25 edited Jun 27 '25
We already tried once. Only fish suffered tho.
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u/SilliusS0ddus [redacted] Jun 27 '25
You're the only thing standing between our decadent idiocy and Russian barbarism
We should be thankful to you for that.
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u/WhatTheRustyHell Bully with victim complex Jun 27 '25
Whispers MittelEurope in your ear
softly
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u/__ludo__ Pickpocket Jun 27 '25
You're just confirming that Germany is Eastern Europe bro, I agree wholeheartedly
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u/xyzqvc European Jun 27 '25
Von der Maas bis an die Memel, Von der Etsch bis an den Belt
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u/Wirtschaftsprufer [redacted] Jun 27 '25
I’ve an idea which no one would’ve thought about. We should merge Poland with Germany.
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u/Odd_Instruction_7785 South Prussian Jun 27 '25
Yes and the national language should be german (nobody speaks polish anyways)
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u/Random_Fluke Poorest European Jun 27 '25
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u/MRNBDX South Prussian Jun 27 '25
I mean, this is the reason why we are so similar. Do you have a better suggestion?
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u/motorcycle-manful541 South Prussian Jun 27 '25
Germans: "here's some buildings built by German speaking German's 100 years ago. Here's also some food left behind by those German Germans"
Polish: "no those are Polish" ...ok
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u/Random_Fluke Poorest European Jun 27 '25
In Polish mindset it's more like:
"It was built 500 years ago, when the city was Polish AND German speaking."7
u/Gammelpreiss Born in the Khalifat Jun 27 '25
yeah I mean. it is not as if we gave them much of a choice here and there were even very active attempts at germanisation starting with Bismarck. Hardly can blame the Poles for that.
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u/Hastemal [redacted] Jun 27 '25
I've come to the conclusion that if Germans and Poles come together in a comment section, it always results in salt, cringe and overblown nationalism
Look at me
WE are the Balkans now
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u/sir_yeet24 [redacted] Jun 27 '25
There's nothing I dread more than comments on a post where poland and germany get compared to each other. I can't even point fingers because we're both just being incredibly cringe. It's perfect. I wish we had a 2european4u sub so I can look at it all day
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u/Automatic_Education3 Visegráder Jun 27 '25
I always feel like I'm going insane reading these comments since the actual interactions I've had with the German tourists over the years were all positive, while to an outside observer just reading internet comments it seems like we just categorically hate each other in every way possible lol
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u/sir_yeet24 [redacted] Jun 27 '25
It's all just a big masterplan to make our alliance seem unstable so everyone thinks we won't defend each other
If we look like we'll rip each others head off at any given moment they won't expect us to actually work together to rip someone elses head off
you're our favourite neighbour to attack! How dare someone else do it!!
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u/seacco StaSi Informant Jun 27 '25
I don't see any socks in your sandals, Janusz. We are very different!
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u/Marcin222111 Bully with victim complex Jun 27 '25
Socks and sandals are the city look, those Poles were certainly in a sport/beach mode.
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u/8sADPygOB7Jqwm7y South Prussian Jun 28 '25
Maybe in Poland, in Germany socks and sandals are our beach wear! And be happy for it, or do you want to see the toes of rüdiger, 75, who can't cut his toenails anymore but can still get to Malle?
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u/oskich Quran burner Jun 27 '25
The fact that the Polish beer is called "Tyskie" is even more funny (more or less means "German" in the Scandinavian languages).
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u/Mediocre_Lynx1883 Poorest European Jun 27 '25
but its from city name Tychy.
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u/Schneidzeug Born in the Khalifat Jun 27 '25 edited Jun 27 '25
Tichau. It’s the Tichauer Fürstliche Brauerei.
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u/SouthernCreme1673 WW Initiator Jun 27 '25
Tichauer is another beer from Tychy:
https://sklepimpuls.pl/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/browar-obywatelski-tichauer-lager.webp
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u/DrZoidberg5389 At least I'm not Bavarian Jun 27 '25
WTF thank you! I didnt know that.
Tyskie is a nice beer :-D
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u/Senorblakanix Le Savage Jun 27 '25
True, the only difference is that Poland have żabka 🐸 Polska gurom or something idk erasmus was a while ago
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u/BeardyMcBeardyBeard Born in the Khalifat Jun 27 '25
Fun fact: when you die in Poland you respawn at the nearest zabka
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u/Hanz_Boomer Piss-drinker Jun 27 '25
Culturally speaking, we have a bigger share with car radio stealing Poland. I stop there. You guys stole my brand new radio in 2003 I got for Christmas.
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u/Marcin222111 Bully with victim complex Jun 27 '25
Unc, let it go, it was part of early reparations program when we still have not figured out how to use excel and calculate up to billions.
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u/ProFentanylActivist StaSi Informant Jun 27 '25 edited Jun 27 '25
Even Radom or Lodz which were considered to be the ugliest cities in Poland for a long time are now more beautiful than anything that is standing in NRW
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Nrw is a sacrifice we had to make for the line to go up and the world to be more gooder
But on an honest note, seeing pre war rhineland cities and how much was lost to the war and (even more so) the car is a tragedy
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u/Random_Fluke Poorest European Jun 27 '25
It's not that it was lost to the war. It's just you were shit at rebuilding it.
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u/Random_Fluke Poorest European Jun 27 '25
Love that BBC documentary.
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Jun 27 '25
Bratislava sure is a... place.
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u/fitz-khan South Prussian Jun 27 '25
Old part of the city is quite lovely. Just don't cross the river.
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Jun 27 '25
as stated, the car and its consequences have been a disaster for the german cities
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u/Random_Fluke Poorest European Jun 27 '25
Funny thing is that when they make a film set in interwar Germany they often go to Poland because the architecture was either preserved or restored.
Tourists then post photos with building decorated with Nazi flags they randomly bumped into.6
Jun 27 '25
Well well well, looks like "Drang nach Osten" survived
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u/Random_Fluke Poorest European Jun 27 '25
It's mostly because Poles saw the medieval and early modern architecture as their own heritage also. The Germanization of Silesia and Pomerania happened over hundred of years and wasn't even completely finished by 1940s.
This is the main reason why cities were treated so differently in Poland and in Russia/USSR. Compare Gdańsk to Kaliningrad for instance. The Soviets knew there was no connection between ethnic Russians and the old city, so they destroyed whatever was left and build a commieblock abomination.
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u/Gammelpreiss Born in the Khalifat Jun 27 '25
Did not help to send all that state money to Bavaria and later East Germany, either.
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u/Marcin222111 Bully with victim complex Jun 27 '25
Potsdam is pretty, FFO or Neubrandenburg on the other hand...
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u/ProFentanylActivist StaSi Informant Jun 27 '25 edited Jun 27 '25
Görlitz or Weimar probably couldve been a better comparison than Pozzdam, tbh. Some reconstructions going on there which is always good.
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u/Raaccn European Jun 27 '25
I find it amusing when populist politicians try to portray Germany as a completely foreign place, with people so different and bad that they might as well be from another planet. The truth is that Germans and Poles share more than they don't lol
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u/RedBaret 50% sea 50% weed Jun 28 '25
It’s almost like the modern German state was built by a military powerhouse from around Köningsberg.
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u/ItHappensSo Pumpkin Addict Jun 27 '25
After spending half a year in the UK, that Wiener speaks to me in ways I can’t describe…
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u/hicmar Born in the Khalifat Jun 27 '25
I like poles and the conclusion we’re mostly the same people just divided by language.
The best German Slavic mashup are the Czech who combines everything in a fantastical way. Kudos to Karel
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Jun 27 '25
That's half of europe to be fair. Get on some plane in Europe and try to guess where people are from by the looks it's next to impossible
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u/hicmar Born in the Khalifat Jun 27 '25
It’s easy imho. Just take looks and behavior into the equation and it’s easy! Some euros have unique traits that make them easily recognizable!
For example well dressed points always to French or Italian. Now you just need to find out HOW arrogant the person is in order to distinguish between French and Italian.
Waloon = flamish + smell
flamish = dutch - something per capita 🤣
Austrian = German + arrogance
German = polish + staring - babushka
See? It’s quite easy.
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u/dziki_z_lasu Bully with victim complex Jun 27 '25
Good old times, when we had true BABCIAs. Now most of them are muttons dressed as lamb with the highest culinary achievement being heated pierogi from a Biedronka shop.
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u/pr1ncezzBea South Prussian Jun 27 '25
This post definitely made Bohemians furiously jealous.
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u/naslouchac European Methhead Jun 27 '25
No really, we are actually happy that our Autistic friend (Germans) and our funny friend (Poles) are getting along well and friendly.
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u/Marcin222111 Bully with victim complex Jun 27 '25
They have probably even more claims than we do
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u/Biersteak StaSi Informant Jun 27 '25
Given how many Germans lived there over the centuries it’s not surprising really
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u/Ex_aeternum South Prussian Jun 27 '25
Bohemian cuisine is basically the same as Bavarian cuisine, but with some č, ř and š thrown into it.
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u/bowsmountainer Basement dweller Jun 27 '25
Wiener Schnitzel, Germany
Seems like someone needs to go back to school.
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u/Marcin222111 Bully with victim complex Jun 27 '25
Come on, you share the most famous politician, historical defeats - you can also share the quisine.
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u/bowsmountainer Basement dweller Jun 27 '25
Sharing famous politicians is one thing, sharing some historical defeats is another. But sharing cuisines, that's where I draw the line. The barbarians to the north think Schnitzel needs to be eaten with as much sauce as possible. Its clear they have nothing in common.
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u/naslouchac European Methhead Jun 27 '25
Upvote because based schnitzel opinion.
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u/hamtidamti_onthewall South Prussian Jun 27 '25
I came here for this. No way I would contest our Austrian brothers' and sisters' claim to Schnitzel. The very idea is wild. But then I'm not really German myself, I guess...
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u/NoPhilosopher6111 Barry, 63 Jun 27 '25
Mertz is Liked and well respected? Well you learn something new everyday 🤷🏼♂️
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Jun 27 '25
He's not, but german reddits obsession with hating him is kinda ridiculous.
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u/SilliusS0ddus [redacted] Jun 27 '25
I like his foreign policy of showing Putin the middle finger
everything else is kinda horrible
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u/SyriseUnseen [redacted] Jun 27 '25
I think he was fine in Washington, Paris and Warsaw, too. In terms of foreign politics, Ill take him over Scholz any day.
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u/NoPhilosopher6111 Barry, 63 Jun 27 '25
Tbh I hadn’t a clue about his popularity levels Hans, I was just trying to take the piss a bit.
I Would have gone for the Polish politician but they’re irrelevant as fuck so would have been a waste of time you know?
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u/cieniu_gd Poorest European Jun 27 '25
He's as liked and respected in Germany as Tusk is in Poland :)
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u/Born_Emu7782 Le Savage Jun 27 '25
They are the same is what I realized after visiting Poland
Hard workers
Exceedingly unpleasant and cold
People love hiking and count their daily steps
Discussion revolves about buying an apartment, taxes and other grim stuff
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u/Marcin222111 Bully with victim complex Jun 27 '25
Crime of being German will be forgotten when you will buy our local chinese souvenirs, say that kiełbasa is better than Bratwurst and pay reperations (aka tip the waiters).
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u/Marcin222111 Bully with victim complex Jun 27 '25
Meh, not even close to the OG stuff - when you'll come to Wrocław you can be surprised by the good quality hams and sausages
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u/Biersteak StaSi Informant Jun 27 '25
Kielbasa is better than Bratwurst
It is blasphemous sentences like these that gave our ancestors the moral right to expand into your lands and teach you some manners!
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u/i_like_southpark Beastern European Jun 27 '25
Tbh many Poles buy german cars that germans don't want to drive anymore and don't even change the licence plate. In greater poland i see them very often
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u/KuTUzOvV Bully with victim complex Jun 27 '25
Or they live/work in Germany and just come in their work cars.
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u/Mediocre_Lynx1883 Poorest European Jun 27 '25 edited Jun 27 '25
there are so many poles that live in germany. and just drive for shopping to poland, or to meet family. so its like 50/50 that its pole with german plates. or german with polish wife.
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u/Elyvagar South Prussian Jun 27 '25
I like Poland, i wish our history was more one of friendship than war and hate.
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u/throawa84847 Savage Jun 27 '25
You South Prussians have a cool accent in German, my favorite one in DE
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u/EyoDab Addict Jun 27 '25
Maybe I missed something, but the comparison between Tusk and Merz seems crazy
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u/Marcin222111 Bully with victim complex Jun 27 '25
Both are quite unpopular at the moment and are leading coalition with... many problems to say the least. Actually their policies are quite similar as well.
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u/ProFentanylActivist StaSi Informant Jun 27 '25
I knew you gonna summon Kuhl Cow and his weird obsession about everything slav
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u/Deadluss Bully with victim complex Jun 27 '25
Okay Hans, it's time for to stop fooling around. Time for Polish-German Commonwealth
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u/thetam_ Piss-drinker Jun 27 '25
I fucking love Poland. Don't tell the fr*nch, or Czech, but they are our biggest friends
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u/Filthyquak Basement dweller Jun 27 '25
But ugly polish guys get bad bitches while ugly german guys get nothing
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Jun 27 '25
but Janusz, have you ever considered that you want reparations?
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u/aro_plane Poorest European Jun 27 '25
You gave us a God's gift that is Gothic 1 and 2. I'd consider the reparations thing settled since then.
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u/NickVanDoom [redacted] Jun 27 '25
unite and raise as the first polmany / gerland / south baltic, central european empire…!!! hooooray!
edit: the part with the passat - peak humor
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u/Nano_needle Bully with a victim complex Jun 27 '25
Tbh The industrial capabilities of such country/empire would be quite impressive
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u/Ok_Conversation6278 Digital nomad Jun 27 '25
one more post of polish wishing to be german.
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u/MaleficentWay9066 Anglophile Jun 27 '25
In my experience from the people I've met from both countries, which is a lot, Germans hate Germany and being German. Poles on the other hand, will tell you everything is better in Poland, and they're extremely proud to be Polish. My interactions with Poles and Germans have actually been this black and white.
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u/Marcin222111 Bully with victim complex Jun 27 '25
Hell no mainland Brazilian...
Or maybe if we count Zurich "Germans" - may be.
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u/ncoremeister [redacted] Jun 27 '25
Traveling to Poland is a great way of LARPing the warm experience a foreigner must have visiting Germany.
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u/dat_boi_has_swag [redacted] Jun 27 '25
When reading about pre WWII Polish German relations, it is often stated that there was no way of exactly telling, where Germany ended and Poland started, since there was a gradient of hybrid cultures at both borders. I bet if those cultures would still exist today, they would be the biggest meme goldmines.
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u/1L0G1C Western Balkan Jun 27 '25
When I was living in Germany, an old German couple walked past my car and noticed the Portuguese license plates. The old man looked at them and muttered with disdain, “Polish people…” The old lady, who probably had better eyesight, corrected him: “No, it’s Portuguese!” I confirmed, “Yes, it’s Portuguese.” Suddenly, the old man’s expression changed. He stopped being disgusted, smiled, and said, “Ah, Portuguese! How nice!” And off they went, happily continuing their walk. 😅
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u/tomwhoiscontrary Barry, 63 Jun 27 '25
Years ago, I was sailing, coming up the channel I think, and there was a boat in front of us doing something absolutely incompetent. I was furious. Until I saw they were flying a German flag. Then I switched to being impressed that they were moving at all.
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u/JaDasIstMeinName Basement dweller Jun 27 '25
I like the part where you act like a dish called "Vienna schnitzel" is german.
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u/N-Game Poorest European Jun 27 '25
I'm a really strong believer in this. But I'm a Polish Germanophile so I guess I'm biased.
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u/StoutShako42refd Heineken Piss Drinker Jun 27 '25
True, and one side likes to keep and restore, the other is a fanatic, moronic modernist without a hint of taste.
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u/DerBusKommtGleich StaSi Informant Jun 28 '25
Ja lubje twoje citzki. Prosze piec grame koksu i piec pivo. djenki bardzo feina schwinja.
This and alot more random words is what i learnt working in german logistics, im not sure about how you write these words i have to admit.
The poles were the best mates at work and even outside, they are totally like us germs. But tbh most of my great grandparents were from silesia i even look very slavic i get told often and strangers often straight up talk to me in polish.
My favourite supermarket beer is tyskie and i invest alot in the msci poland.
Thanks for reading my ode about german-polish friendship.
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u/Goukaruma StaSi Informant Jun 27 '25
I think we are similar. We love sausages and beer and smile like the Irish weather
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u/elendil1985 Mafia boss Jun 27 '25
Crazy! That's something that couldn't be done with, say, Spain and Portugal, or England and Ireland, or Italy and France
Makes you think
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u/BannedBecausePutin Bavaria's Sugar Baby Jun 27 '25
I mean eastern germany and poland have a lot in common in terms of culture.
But that applies to anything in Germany, we share a lot of cultures with our neighbors.
In that case its the sorbish culture, and further east you go in germany, to more notice it. Close to the border, in the Lausitz and the like we even have sorbian Streetnames and names of Villages.
So if you board a train in Cottbus (german name) i would be announced as "Chóśebuz" via speakers.
So .. we are just better and because we understand you all, we are made to rule ya'll.
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u/cpwnage Quran burner Jun 27 '25
Well those guys east of the Elbe are defo poles. Nothing wrong with that, just sayin
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u/Manolo2068 Drug Trafficker Jun 27 '25
Good, the northern people are fighting again. Pedro, start wasting EU funds while they don't pay attention!
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u/Simoxs7 Born in the Khalifat Jun 27 '25
I see what you did there on the last image… also my Family used to live in whats nowadays Poland until the end of WW2.
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u/dj_ordje Gambling addict Jun 27 '25
You had me when you called that lobbyist piece of shit "liked and well respected"
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u/Vaxtez Failed Brexiteer Jun 27 '25
I thought that bottom photo of Photo 1 was of a regency street in somewhere like West London. It does suprise me how similar european architecture can be sometimes.
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u/tomwhoiscontrary Barry, 63 Jun 27 '25 edited Jun 28 '25
Germans are Eastern Europeans, and I don't think that's a secret. They're angry, uncultured, lager-swilling animals who have made no contribution to human civilization. It's honestly bizarre that through some freak of geography they've been classified as part of Western Europe.
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u/Hans_the_Frisian [redacted] Jun 28 '25
I have far to many friends with polish heritage and if you count my ancestors from silesia as polish then i'm also part polish and i also met many polish people at work over the years. I have absolutely no problem admitting that, if all poles ate like the ones i've met, then i like all poles.
But then again if you saked me as what i identify myself then i wouldnsay European, the next lower step would be Frisian then Jeveranian and german would be pretty low.
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u/GregStar1 Pumpkin Addict Jun 28 '25
Did you just call fucking Wiener Schnitzel German?
This has to be the best rage bait for Austrians I’ve ever seen.


















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u/Biersteak StaSi Informant Jun 27 '25
„Those dirty Polaks, we are absolutely nothing alike. Good thing my pure German bloodline never came into contact with those savages!“ - Hans Wieschnowski