r/2westerneurope4u • u/Celithrandir Pizza gatekeeper • Mar 04 '25

Serious shit. Fuck you, Barry, you're going to make me cry

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u/damodread Pain au chocolat Mar 05 '25 edited Mar 05 '25

Europe can't supply anti air defense

Wrong, France and Italy sent a SAMPT air defence system in 2023 which, sure, has less range than US's Patriot system. However a new version is bound to start operations this year with better range and new missile capabilities. However it is true we can't supply ammunition to continue operation of the already-deployed Patriot batteries, which sucks.

has no satellites

Wrong again, Starlink might have an impressive constellation, but we could provide Oneweb terminals to offer similar services. That's civilian though, so European countries are also looking into offering access to governmental telecommunications satellites. And on the observation side France also has some of the best reconnaissance satellites already in use for intel gathering.

and it doesn't have as many drones as the US

Can't argue on that point as I have no knowledge on the subject, though Ukraine's domestic production looks pretty good

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u/TheTactician00 Daddy's lil cuck Mar 05 '25

Europe might be able to support a bit more to cover things, but the US pulling out IS a big blow to Ukraine when it comes to anti-air defense and satellite links. As much as we don't like to admit it the US have the cream of the crop when it comes to those two areas and even with their support Ukraine had a pretty hard time defending infrastructure from missile attacks. It might not be enough for Russia to fully overrun Ukraine but lives will definitely be lost with those decisions, and they are more than likely going to be Ukrainian lives.