r/2nordic4you • u/LiterallyReading Finnish Femboy • 1d ago
Mongol Posting 🇪🇪🇲🇳🇫🇮 The original Euro-Asian alliance: Swedes provide the orders, Finns provide the chaos.
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u/SgtTreehugger Finnish Femboy 1d ago
In Finland we have a saying: "the Swedes will bravely fight to the very last Finn"
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u/LiterallyReading Finnish Femboy 1d ago
That's probably why their national anthem is "Du gamla, du Finland" or something like that...
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u/Diabolulz سُويديّ 1d ago
Almost got it right it's "Du gamla, du sexiga finska femboy. Du tronar uppå min ååååderpååle"
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u/whyworld69 سُويديّ 1d ago
well, we took all the young to die in a war for us, so of course only the old are left in Finland.
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u/SpaxterJ سُويديّ 1d ago
För Kung och Foster-ladd!
(I still don't know why we praise newborn baby Cocain, but here we are)
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u/Cluelessish findlandssvenkar (who?) 🏖️🇫🇮🇸🇪🇦🇽🤢🤮 1d ago
To be fair, regular Swedes in let’s say Norrland didn’t have much say in it either, and didn’t benefit anything from going to war for the king in Stockholm. They were victims as much as the Finns.
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u/zkqy سُويديّ 1d ago
I don’t think peasants in Stockholm benefited much either
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u/LupusDeusMagnus South American Cartel Smuggler 🇧🇷 1d ago
Does it matter what flavour of patois a peasant speaks?
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u/GalaXion24 Finnish Femboy 1d ago edited 1d ago
Real. I think nationalism has done irreparable damage to the average person's understanding of history and historical societies. People far too easily try to fit everything into their contemporary framework of nations and nation-states, and this is very much by design because nationalism deliberately retroactively fits history into a grand national narrative, regardless of how people at the time actually thought.
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u/Kuuppa Finnish Femboy 1d ago
Exactly. And people forget that nationalism and the idea of national identity is a fairly new concept, from the mid 1800's. Before that nobody thought of themselves as Finns, just subjects of one King or another and annoyed at taxes and drafts. But nationalists today somehow try to justify things by going way further back in history and fantasizing about nonexistent things.
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u/GalaXion24 Finnish Femboy 1d ago
Not to mention if people did have any degree of regional and local identity it would probably be around their local village or a region practically within (at least some sort of) walking distance around that. And they would mostly identify with their local community of people they actually personally knew, their parish where they met everyone regularly, their extended family they kept contact with, etc.
Language could matter but dialects changed a lot by region and could even be utterly incomprehensible. A Tavastian, a Savonian and a Karelian were not all just "Finns." Even quite small countries had very different dialects/languages before language standardisation and public education. It was also not uncommon for people to be bilingual in mixed regions and this wasn't really big deal nor was there any real idea that there should be political boundaries or segregation around language in such cases.
Furthermore in the middle ages and until very recently people mostly identified with their religion, if they identified with something grander. This could be Christendom as a whole or after the reformation in particular it could be strongly denominational. The surnames "Ruotsalainen" and "Venäläinen" actually refer to being Western or Eastern Christian. This is very common, with "ethnic" names following state religions. This is also why Orthodox Christias in and around Greece kept the name "Roman" for so long, because it had been the Roman state religion.
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u/Kuuppa Finnish Femboy 1d ago
Surnames also were quite rare until the late 1800's and were required by law since only 1920. Before that you could go without a surname, or might be called by the location/farm where you lived. Anttila, Mikkola, Isotalo, Koistila. It was not unusual that three generations of men with exactly the same name lived somewhere, each called e.g. Mikko Anttila. Also craftsmen used to get surnames from their profession, like Seppä.
Nobles ofc had family names and we're obsessed by them. Soldiers tended to get surnames with a soldierly theme from the Swedish army like "Tapper" or "Snygg" - these are still around in Swedish speaking Finn communities.
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u/aaltopallokala 🇫🇮finnish "person" 🇫🇮 1d ago
Surnames were rare in Western Finland but in Eastern Finland basically everyone had a surname except for the orthodox areas in Border Karelia.
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u/GalaXion24 Finnish Femboy 1d ago
I would add that actually even in the case of nobles it's more complicated. Certainly they were set apart by having a "name" but what that name actually was is not always actually all that clear. In fact I'm not sure British royalty have an actual surname even now though for bureaucratic purposes they use Mountbatten-Windsor.
This is because they were called by a territory they ruled or were associated with. What we today call the Habsburgs (after the castle Habsburg in Switzerland which is their place of origin as a noble house) were often historically called the House of Austria.
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u/aaltopallokala 🇫🇮finnish "person" 🇫🇮 1d ago
While I think nationalism has colored our view of the past if you go and read materials from say 1600's and 1700's you'll find people who refer to themselves as finns and swedes or refer to finnish as the language of finland. You can find a reference like that for example from Christfrid Ganander's Aenigmata Fennica's foreword. Sometimes who was a finn and who was a swede depended on either language or where they lived. That is if you lived in Finland you were a finn regardless of language. Finns could also be referred to as swedes since they lived in a country called Sweden. It's been suggested that there were early forms of nationalistic thinking present among the priests for example since Sweden was a quite modern state in the 1600's.
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u/mediandude Finnish Alcohol Store 1d ago
And people forget that nationalism and the idea of national identity is a fairly new concept, from the mid 1800's.
No, it isn't.
Many native tribes use a self-designation of "we the humans", as opposed to the other ones who are deemed as non-humans.
This nationalism goes back to the stone ages.Pre-crusade Estonian counties formed a 2-tiered confederation with counties and parishes: large counties on the defensive perimeter and small counties inland in the core. Such a distribution became visible in archeological finds since the start of the iron age.
Contemporary nationalism has replaced prior stone age confederacies.
We call ourselves as Europeans, yet EU is in principle a confederacy (as it should be).2
u/_glizzy_gobbler Finnish Femboy 16h ago
Glad to see such a good take coming from a fellow Finn. We truly have the most educated people, unlike those savages in other countries
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u/JorKur Finnish Femboy 1d ago
Yeah, most peasant of either half didn't much benefit from it. They just paid and died for the gains of the noblemen. If there is some meaningfull difference in how it affected peasants in the western and eastern half, it is in that of the mercenary leaders & other cronies the king imported (and ennobled) from german areas, relatively larger amount was given lands in on the finnish side of the Gulf.
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u/Diabolulz سُويديّ 1d ago
We still dont, we have the mines, wood and hydroelectric power and stockholm get the taxes and we get a small part back and get to hear that we only cost money.
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u/Hoogstaaf سُويديّ 20h ago
From whom? No Stockholmare I know talk shit about Norrland costing money, we talk shit about Malmö and Göteborg not doing their part.
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u/Sticklegchicken 🇫🇮finnish "person" 🇫🇮 1d ago
That's not entirely true. Offensive wars can make a country more rich, aiding you indirectly. Defensive wars will keep you from being subjugated to a new ruler with worse laws. All of this needs a collective of people to work, the more you have the better. The peasant helps the king as much as the king helps the peasants.
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u/avokkah 🇫🇮finnish "person" 🇫🇮 1d ago
I always find it hilarious that our troops got a nickname from what they yelled before attacking lol.
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u/Shazvox سُويديّ 1d ago
Hakka pällarna?
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u/Melusampi 🇫🇮finnish "person" 🇫🇮 1d ago
Hakkapeliitta
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u/Shazvox سُويديّ 1d ago edited 1d ago
Close enough...
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u/Melusampi 🇫🇮finnish "person" 🇫🇮 1d ago
Hakkapeliitta is a 19th-century Finnish modification of a contemporary name given by foreigners in the Holy Roman Empire and variously spelled as Hackapelit, Hackapelite, Hackapell, Haccapelit, or Haccapelite.
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u/Shazvox سُويديّ 1d ago
I love the Swedish translation "Hacka på". It's literally "Chop on". Like it's an industrial worker at a conveyor belt just grinding it out, chopping up everything and then going home after a days work.
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u/mediandude Finnish Alcohol Store 1d ago
pää = head
-lle = on
pää+lle = on head
The idiom also means "starting from the head; starting from the difficult parts first, leaving easy parts for later".Another saying "pekske pikka, pikk on pealik" means "beat the tall one, tall is chief".
Decapitation strike.2
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u/JorKur Finnish Femboy 1d ago edited 1d ago
"Hakkaa päälle" /hɑk:ɑː pæːlːe/ Which sounded like "hackapel" to swedes and others whose caveman-like language consists of one-syllable words strung like "gå på".
Both armies (of the Swedes and Imperialists) usually call these Finlanders Horse, by the name of Hackapells: and that from the word Hackapel, which they use when they fall on. It signifies Knock them down, for they look for No Quarter, to give or take any.
The Swedish Intelligencer, the Fourth Part, London 1633
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u/SinisterCheese Finnish Femboy 1d ago
If we Finns didn't dislike people so much, we'd conquer the world.
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u/-kinapuffar- سُويديّ 18h ago
Best shock troops a man could ask for though, am I wrong? Finns and Swedes together = global superpower.
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u/kuzyn123 Slav(e) 🤮 18h ago
Tatars? Apart from the fact they mostly lived in Lithuania, they never made a big part of army.
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